How Is a Second Order Chebyshev Passband Filter Designed?

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The discussion revolves around the design of a second order Chebyshev passband filter, specifically focusing on deriving its transfer function given certain parameters such as central frequency, lower cutoff frequency, passband ripple, and gain. The scope includes theoretical aspects of filter design and mathematical reasoning related to transfer functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the initial approach to calculate the transfer function for a second order Chebyshev passband filter, noting confusion about transitioning from a low pass filter to a band pass filter.
  • Another participant suggests resources for obtaining the correct answer without detailed derivation, including links to filter design websites.
  • A participant expresses frustration with the suggested resources, indicating they did not find them helpful.
  • One participant recalls that there are transformations to convert low pass filters to high pass and band pass filters, referencing a Wikipedia article on frequency transformations.
  • Another participant describes their process of initially deriving a low pass filter transfer function and then applying a frequency transformation to achieve the desired band pass filter characteristics.
  • The final participant shares their successful derivation of the band pass filter transfer function and expresses gratitude for the assistance received in the thread.

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There is no consensus on the best approach to derive the transfer function, as participants express differing levels of understanding and satisfaction with the resources provided. Some participants are unsure about the correctness of their methods, while others provide alternative suggestions without resolving the initial question.

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Participants mention various assumptions and transformations required for filter design, including the need for specific forms of transfer functions and the implications of ripple in the passband. The discussion reflects a range of understanding regarding the application of theoretical concepts to practical filter design.

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Homework Statement


Get the transfer function of a second order Chebyshev passband filter, with central frequency f0 = 1 [kHz], lower cutoff frequency fc=670 [Hz], 3dB ripple in the pass-band and 30dB of gain in the central frequency.

Homework Equations



Maximum allowed variation in passband transmission A_{max}=10log(1+ε^2)
Transfer function of Chebyshev filter T(s)=\frac{Kw_{p}^N}{ε2^{N-1}(s-p_{1})...(s-p_{N})}
Chebyshev filter poles p_{k}=-w_{p}sin(\frac{(2k-1)\pi}{2N})sinh(\frac{1}{N}sinh^{-1}(\frac{1}{ε}))+jw_{p}cos(\frac{(2k-1)\pi}{2N})cosh(\frac{1}{N}sinh^{-1}(\frac{1}{ε})), k=1,2,...,N
N is the order of the filter
K is the gain
(expressions taken from "Microelectronic Circuits", Sedra, 5th edition)

The Attempt at a Solution



Hi,

My first attempt, to this problem was to calculate ε through A_{max} and get the two poles(which are conjugated) through the expression given, considering w_{p} as 670\times2\pi. I then had all that was needed to build the transfer function. The problem is that this is the transfer function for a low pass filter. I have no idea how to get the pass band filter at this point, and I am also not sure if what i did is correct.
 
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I made a search in the web before coming here and also found that document, but it didnt helped :S .
 
rude man said:
If you wan the correct answer without the details, go to www.filterfree.com. Stipulate chebyshev bandpass type 1, 2nd order, input your upper & lower cutoff frequencies and midband gain, 3dB passband ripple, and get the answer.
Have you visited that site recently, rude man? :frown:
 
cathode-ray said:
The problem is that this is the transfer function for a low pass filter. I have no idea how to get the pass band filter at this point, and I am also not sure if what i did is correct.
I recall from my uni days that there are transforms to convert the LP to a HP, and also to a BP. That's why design equations deal only with the LP. Searching, I found mention on wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_transformations#Bandform_transformation

I think you are just looking for a second order system, of the form A.s / (s² + bs +c)
so it won't have ripple as such, there's only the one peak in the response, it's bandwidth being measured between the pair of -3dB points.

Beyond this, I'm of no help here, sorry.
 
NascentOxygen said:
Have you visited that site recently, rude man? :frown:

see below
 
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rude man said:
I recommend http://www.analog.com/library/analogDialogue/archives/43-09/EDCh 8 filter.pdf

pp. 8.21 ff.

If you want the correct answer without the details, go to www.filterfree.com. Stipulate chebyshev bandpass type 1, 2nd order, input your upper & lower cutoff frequencies and midband gain, 3dB passband ripple, and get the answer.

SORRY, N/O. I'll try to figure out how I got their site. definitely did, only yesterday. Stay tuned, it's worth it.

OK, found the problem - the site is www.nuhertz.com. Scroll down to the "Filter Free" downlink.
 
I finally found the answer and the mistake i was making :D. To design the filter i was considering initially a second order low pass Chebyshev filter, with the specified characteristics, and then i applied the frequency transformation to make it a band pass. However to make the transformation what i needed was a first order low pass Chebyshev filter that as a transfer function of the form:

T(S)=\frac{1}{S-p_{1}}​

where S is the normalized frequency with respect to the central frequency:

S=\frac{s}{w_{p}}​

I then calculated the pole p_{1} of the filter, using the expression i took from the "Microelectronic Circuits", which gave me p_{1}=-1. Thus the transfer function for the low pass filter is:

T(S)=\frac{1}{S+1}​

To make it a band pass filter i used a frequency transformation:

S\rightarrow\frac{S^{2}+1}{2\xi S}​

After making the transformation i ended up with a band pass second order Chebyshev filter , with the desired characteristics, of the form:

T(S)=\frac{s}{\frac{s^{2}}{B}+s+\frac{w_{p}^{2}}{B}}​
B is the bandwidth

In order to have the gain of 30dB at the central frequency i multiplied the transfer function for a constant k and calculated what value it had to have at s=jw_{p}.Then i finally got the desired result:

T(S)=\frac{s}{\frac{s^{2}}{Bk}+\frac{s}{k}+\frac{w_{p}^{2}}{Bk}}​

Thanks for all the replies!

Note: Thanks for the link for that software rude man :) it will be useful
 

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