How Is the Total Acceleration of a Car Calculated in Circular Motion?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the total acceleration of a car moving in circular motion with a radius of 200 m, starting from rest and increasing speed at 2 m/s². After 10 seconds, the car's velocity reaches 20 m/s, raising questions about the nature of the acceleration involved. Participants clarify that the total acceleration consists of both tangential acceleration from the engine and centripetal acceleration, which is perpendicular to the velocity. The tangential acceleration is associated with the rate of speed increase, while the centripetal acceleration is necessary for maintaining circular motion. Understanding the vector components of these accelerations is crucial for accurately determining the car's total acceleration.
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A car starts from rest and travels along a circular path of radius 200 m. The magnitude of its velocity
increases at a rate of 2 m/s

After 10 s, what is the magnitude of the acceleration of the car (in m/s

my attempt:
v = 10*2 = 20m/s

would the acceleration that the car's undergoing be equal to the centripetal acceleration?
so would it be v^2/r ?
 
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Ry122 said:
A car starts from rest and travels along a circular path of radius 200 m. The magnitude of its velocity
increases at a rate of 2 m/s

After 10 s, what is the magnitude of the acceleration of the car (in m/s

my attempt:
v = 10*2 = 20m/s

would the acceleration that the car's undergoing be equal to the centripetal acceleration?
so would it be v^2/r ?

What is the general expression for velocity in plane polar coordinates? How about acceleration? Can you represent the statement "The magnitude of its velocity increases at a rate of 2 m/s" by an equation?
 
But you see, no longer is the car engine accelerating the vehicle after 10s and thus the only acceleration that I think might be acting on it at that point is the one keeping the car moving in circular motion ie. the centripetal acceleration.
 
Ry122 said:
But you see, no longer is the car engine accelerating the vehicle after 10s

Where does it say that?
 
You're right, it doesn't. So is it going to be the centripetal acceleration combined with the acceleration due to the car's engine?

The acceleration due to the car's engine would be a vector that is tangent to the edge of the circle it's traveling in while the centripetal acceleration vector would be perpendicular to the edge of the circle. Is this correct?
 
Well according to my knowledge, in rotational kinematics, acceleration is perpendicular to the velocity. Therefore it should be centripedal acceleration.
 
hiuting said:
Well according to my knowledge, in rotational kinematics, acceleration is perpendicular to the velocity. Therefore it should be centripedal acceleration.
Only centripetal acceleration is perpendicular to the velocity. That is not necessarily the total acceleration.
 
Ry122 said:
You're right, it doesn't. So is it going to be the centripetal acceleration combined with the acceleration due to the car's engine?

It depends on what you mean by "combined" each of these tyoes of acceleration are components of a vector (acceleration)...,.how do you determine the magnitude of a vector?

The acceleration due to the car's engine would be a vector that is tangent to the edge of the circle it's traveling in while the centripetal acceleration vector would be perpendicular to the edge of the circle. Is this correct?

Yes, you can see this by looking at the general expression for position, velocity and acceleration in polar coordinates:

\textbf{r}(t)=r(t)\textbf{e}_r

Now, \frac{d\textbf{e}_r}{dt}=\dot{\theta}\textbf{e}_{\theta} and \frac{d\textbf{e}_\theta}{dt}=-\dot{\theta}\textbf{e}_{r} , so

\textbf{v}(t)=\frac{d\textbf{r}}{dt}= \dot{r}\textbf{e}_r+r\dot{\theta}\textbf{e}_{\theta}

And

\textbf{a}(t) = \frac{d\textbf{v}}{dt}= (\ddot{r}-r\dot{\theta}^2)\textbf{e}_r+(r\ddot{\theta}+2\dot{r}\dot{\theta})\textbf{e}_{\theta}

For circular motion, \dot{r}=\ddot{r}=0 and you see that the centripetal acceleration r\dot{\theta}^2 is directed radially inwards, and the tangential acceleration is r\dot{\theta}...the rate of change of the speed v=r\dot{\theta}[/itex]
 
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