How Much Can a Fireman Weigh to Safely Climb a Ladder Leaning at 45 Degrees?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the maximum weight a fireman can be while climbing a ladder leaning at a 45-degree angle against a wall that can support a maximum force of 500 N. The ladder, measuring 5 meters and weighing 15 kg, requires an analysis of torques to determine the fireman's safe weight. Participants emphasize the importance of taking moments about the ladder's base to ensure the sum of torques equals zero. One user initially miscalculates the weight, arriving at 86.95 kg, but later corrects the approach to find the maximum mass is approximately 87 kg. The conversation highlights the need for careful consideration of forces and distances in torque calculations.
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A uniform ladder of a length 5m and a mass 15 kg leans against a wall, making a 45 degree angle with the ground. The wall is capable of supporting a maximum of 500 N.

A fireman must climb the ladder to it's midpoint, what is the max mass that the fireman can be without collapsing the wall.Ok...So I know that for a uniform problem we know that this means that the Center of Mass will be halfway along the lengh of the board.

Again since this is a center of mass problem the sum of the torques must equal zero.

Et=0

I assumed that I would need to take the (max force)(cos 45) + (Weight of ladder)(distance of ladder) then divide that by the (total distance of the ladder)The answer should be 86.95kg

But I got..

(500N)cos45 + (15kg)(5m)

= 353.33N + 75 kg.m
= 428.33 N.kg.m / 5.0m = 85.66 = 86 kg

I am doing something wrong. I am not able to cancel out some of my units. Its seems like a simple mistake but any advice would help!

Thanks!
 
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Force X Perpendicular distance = Torque.
Net torque = 0
500 X 5 cos45 = (15+m) g X 2.5 cos 45
m = (1000/9.8) - 15 = 87 Kg
 
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Rha1828 said:
A uniform ladder of a length 5m and a mass 15 kg leans against a wall, making a 45 degree angle with the ground. The wall is capable of supporting a maximum of 500 N.

A fireman must climb the ladder to it's midpoint, what is the max mass that the fireman can be without collapsing the wall.

I assumed that I would need to take the (max force)(cos 45) + (Weight of ladder)(distance of ladder) then divide that by the (total distance of the ladder)

I don't understand this at all :confused:

you should be taking moments (torques) about the base of the ladder …

that's ∑(force x perpendicular distance)

try again :smile:

sArGe99, on this forum, please don't try to give complete answers​
 
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