How Much Energy is Dissipated When Braking from 75 to 55 mph?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the energy dissipated when a car brakes from 75 mph to 55 mph, focusing on the assumptions regarding deceleration and the forces involved. Participants explore various approaches to estimate the energy loss, considering both constant and variable deceleration scenarios.

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  • One participant suggests that if deceleration is constant, the energy dissipated can be calculated using conservation of energy principles.
  • Another participant questions the implications of non-constant deceleration and proposes that using average deceleration could yield similar results.
  • Some participants argue that the kinetic energy lost can be determined solely from initial and final kinetic energy, regardless of deceleration.
  • One participant introduces the idea that a function describing velocity over time would be necessary for a more complex analysis involving variable deceleration.
  • There is a disagreement about whether a calculus approach is necessary, with some insisting that the original post does not require it.
  • Another participant mentions that the energy will always convert into another form, emphasizing the importance of understanding energy transformations.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of considering constant versus variable deceleration, and whether a calculus approach is required. No consensus is reached on the best method for calculating the energy dissipated.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the effects of external forces, such as wind resistance, are not addressed. The discussion also highlights the potential complexity of the problem if variable deceleration is taken into account.

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Here's the scenario...

I'm driving down the highway at 75 mph and not paying attention. I suddenly see a 55 mph speed limit sign and hit the brakes to slow down. I decelerate from 75 to 55 in 3 seconds. The car weighs 4700 lbs and has 4 disc brakes.

Now assuming the only factor is the friction of the brakes (no wind resistance, etc.) do I have enough info to calculate how much energy was dissipated by the 4 brakes and determine if that was all in heat and if so how much heat? If not precisely, a good estimate?

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If the deceleration was constant, then yes, it can easily be calculated. Just apply conservation of energy.
 
what if the deceleration was not constant?
 
Still can do the same thing.
If the only force acting was friction, all the kinetic energy lost is dissipated by friction.
All you need is the initial and final KE.
 
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gleem said:
what if the deceleration was not constant?
I guess using the average deceleration while applying the brake would get you the same or a very close to same result.
 
You don't need any deceleration to answer the question in the OP.
 
gleem said:
what if the deceleration was not constant?
You would need a function ##v(t)## which describes the velocity of the car with time. The force can easily be represented by ##F=m\frac{dv}{dt}##. Kinetic energy is given by ##E=\int_{s_1}^{s_2} Fds##. Can you guess how to represent F in terms of s? If yes, then you'll see that the solution is just as straight forward :wink: .
 
You don't need that. Just take initial energy - final energy.
 
Khashishi said:
You don't need that. Just take initial energy - final energy.
But the OP asked for a calculus approach.
 
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PWiz said:
But the OP asked for a calculus approach.

Where? I see nothing about that in the original post.
 
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Drakkith said:
Where? I see nothing about that in the original post.
Whoops, I guess I mixed that question up with some other one :confused:
@OP If you don't have to show steps of calculus, then you can simply use the formula ##\frac{1}{2}mv^2##, and you have all the information you need. (Actually this formula is derived from calculus since ##\int_0^{s} Fds= m \int_0^s \frac{dv}{dt} ds= m \int_0^v v dv##, which yields the Newtonian expression above) Just remember that the energy will always be converted into some other form.
 

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