How much energy to heat water (in Watts/Wh)

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The discussion revolves around calculating the energy required to heat one liter of water from 25°C to 60°C, specifically focusing on the conversion of energy units from calories to watt-hours. Participants explore the relationship between energy, power, and time in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that a Calorie heats one liter of water by one degree, suggesting that heating it by 35 degrees requires 35 Calories, but questions how to convert this to watt-hours.
  • Another participant clarifies that a watt is a unit of power and a watthour is a unit of energy, explaining the relationship between watts and joules.
  • It is noted that time matters when considering power, but since the inquiry is about watthours, time is not relevant for the energy calculation.
  • One participant proposes converting kcals to watts, suggesting a specific conversion factor, but later expresses confusion about their calculations and units.
  • Another participant suggests converting kcals to joules and then to watthours as a method to find the answer.
  • A participant claims to have resolved their confusion regarding energy versus power and provides a calculation showing that 1 kcal equals approximately 1.162 watt-hours, leading to a total of about 40.667 watt-hours for the heating process.
  • Several participants agree on the calculation of energy using the specific heat capacity of water, providing a formula that results in approximately 40.7 watt-hours.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While some participants agree on the calculations and methods for converting energy units, there are differing views on the relevance of time in the context of the original question. The discussion contains both agreement on specific calculations and some uncertainty regarding the conversion processes.

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Participants express varying levels of confidence in their calculations, with some acknowledging mistakes and the need for deeper consideration of the concepts involved. There is a reliance on specific definitions and assumptions regarding energy and power that may not be universally agreed upon.

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I'm heating a liter of water from 25C to 60C. I'm under the impression that a Calorie (kcal) heats one liter of water by one degree, and so heating one liter by 35 degrees requires 35 Calories.
I want to convert this to Watthours but I'm not sure how...does bringing time into the equation determine how much energy I need to expend? For instance, is there a difference if I need to increase the temperature to 60C in 5 seconds versus a minute?
I could spend a few hours figuring this out for myself but I figured someone else could illuminate me with much less effort
 
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The watt is a unit of power=change in energy/change in time. So the watthour is actually a unit of energy.

Watt is Joules/second. So a watthour is essentially joules/3600 (there are 3600 seconds in an hour).
 
To answer your question, yes the time required would matter if you were concerned about power. But since the problem asks for watthours, a unit of energy not power, the time required is of no relevance.
 
Can I convert kcals to watts in this instance? ...as in 4.184 calories/second, so .004184 watts would heat one cc of water by one degree? ...and in an ideal world (not accounting for conduction/convection/niggling details) a watthour would heat .004184 x 3600 cc's of water by one degree?
 
drzeus said:
Can I convert kcals to watts in this instance? ...as in 4.184 calories/second, so .004184 watts would heat one cc of water by one degree? ...and in an ideal world (not accounting for conduction/convection/niggling details) a watthour would heat .004184 x 3600 cc's of water by one degree?
Damn, I screwed up my math and my units...I'm probably going to have to consider this deeper until my internal inconsistencies diminish enough to ask questions that actually make sense. Thanks for answering!
 
I think what you would do is convert kcal to joules and then joules to watthours.
 
I think I figured it out...your answer prompted me to look up energy vs. power and I realized I originally did the math [somewhat] correctly but forgot to account for time factors cancelling themselves out which led to an answer that didn't make sense and subsequent searches consisting of the wrong terms.
1 kcal = 1.162 watt hours so 35 kcal = 40.667 watt hours
 
Yup that's correct.
 
If you want the answer in watt hours you don't really need calories at all...

Energy (in joules) = specific heat capacity of water(joule/kg °C) * mass of water(kg) * change in temperature(°C)

= 4186 * 1 * (60-25)
= 146510 Joules

1 joule = 1 watt for 1 second

so to convert to watt hours divide by 3600

146510/3600 = 40.7 Watt hours.


 
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CWatters said:
If you want the answer in watt hours you don't really need calories at all...

Energy (in joules) = specific heat capacity of water(joule/kg °C) * mass of water(kg) * change in temperature(°C)

= 4186 * 1 * (60-25)
= 146510 Joules

1 joule = 1 watt for 1 second

so to convert to watt hours divide by 3600

146510/3600 = 40.7 Watt hours.

Thanks, I was going with what I knew offhand and was almost too tired to put two and two together
 

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