How proportional action is produced in a pneumatic controller

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The discussion revolves around understanding how proportional action is produced in a pneumatic controller, specifically focusing on its output range and the relationship between measured and desired values. The original poster seeks clarification on the construction and operation of a P + I + D controller with pneumatic output.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the principles of force balance and displacement balance in relation to the pneumatic controller's operation. The original poster expresses uncertainty about deriving equations related to measured and desired pressures.

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Some participants have provided references to external materials that may aid in understanding the concepts. There is an ongoing exploration of the mechanics involved in the controller's operation, with suggestions for deriving equations based on force balance principles. The conversation indicates a collaborative effort to clarify the topic, though no explicit consensus has been reached.

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The original poster mentions challenges with lesson quality and seeks guidance to better understand the material. There are references to specific pages in a manual that may contain relevant information for the discussion.

David Deal
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Homework Statement


(a) With the aid of a sketch explain how proportional action is produced
in a pneumatic controller whose output is 0.2 to 1.0 bar. Assume that
the controller is direct acting.

(b) Show, mathematically, that the output is dependent on the difference
between the measured and desired values.

(c) With the aid of a well annotated sketch describe the construction and
operation of a P + I + D controller having a pneumatic output.

Homework Equations


none that I can think of

The Attempt at a Solution


(a) I believe I have to produce this as the first part of the question. As my lessons are pretty poor this is all I can gather from the content.
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(b) There is nothing that I can see in my notes for this. The tutor is as helpful as the notes also.

(c) I think this is what they are after, but again my lessons don't shed much light on this.
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I just need pointed in the right direction and I should be good to be honest.
 

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Try about page 17 here

http://www.instrumentationrepair.com/Documents/Manuals/Bailey/Instruments/P92-1-1.pdf

i'd download and print a copy because it takes some mental gymnastics to wrap your brain around that mechanical marvel.
The Bailey AD is a general purpose analog computer with two balance beams instead of just one as you have drawn,
but the principles of force balance and displacement balance are your basic thought tools.
 
jim hardy said:
Try about page 17 here

http://www.instrumentationrepair.com/Documents/Manuals/Bailey/Instruments/P92-1-1.pdf

i'd download and print a copy because it takes some mental gymnastics to wrap your brain around that mechanical marvel.
The Bailey AD is a general purpose analog computer with two balance beams instead of just one as you have drawn,
but the principles of force balance and displacement balance are your basic thought tools.

Thats great. Thanks for the information.

Now I have to derive an equation for Po relating to measure and desired pressures for b).
Any pointers?
 
David Deal said:
Now I have to derive an equation for Po relating to measure and desired pressures for b).
Any pointers?
well as i said force balance and displacement balance are your thought tools.

Consider forces F acting on the beam, and their distances from the pivot..

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assume all bellows have same area.
Equilibrium is when beam is balanced exactly horizontal, as shown
consider that a minute displacement from there, less than 0.001" changes nozzle pressure hence output pressure from minimum to maximum.
and for analysis imagine it takes zero movement from equilibrium to change output pressure over full range
so the nozzle is your "null" analogous to summing junction of an operational amplifier circuit.

In my opinion the spring on right end is mis-named it should be called Bias rather than Proportioning.

Since all bellows have same area, force exerted by any of them is proportional to pressure and we don't have to write area into the force balance equations.
Force up on left end of beam equals (Pmeasured - Pdesired),
and force up on right end of beam equals (Poutput - Fbias spring)

The beam is in equilibrium when sum of torques is zero
(Pmeasured - Pdesired) X D1 = (Poutput - Fbias spring) X D2
Solve for Poutput.
(You might want to set Fbias spring = 0 for starters.)

That should give you the idea what they're up to in the "How It Operates" chapter of that Bailey instruction leaflet.

It's the mechanical analogue to an operational amplifier circuit.
D1 and D2 are analogous to input and feedback resistors
and that 0.001" displacement i mentioned is analogous to open loop gain.
The AD relay has a pressure booster with gain around 20 placed between nozzle and output to increase its "open loop gain" .ie reducing the mechanical displacement necessary to achieve full output pressure swing..

Learn this stuff .
Maintaining a null has been the basis of automatic controls since well before computers.

old jm
 

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Answer to C is in that Bailey manual.
 
jim hardy said:
Answer to C is in that Bailey manual.

Hey Jim

Thanks for the info, someone at work is very good at PID controllers also. The above solutions are correct.

I will mark this as solved now.

Thanks again
 
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