How scientists calculated the weight of Mars

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The discussion centers on the methods used by scientists to calculate the mass of Mars, specifically the value of 6.39 × 10^23 kg. Participants explore various theoretical and practical approaches to this calculation, including the application of Newton's law of gravity and observations of Mars' moons.

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  • Some participants suggest that the mass of Mars can be calculated using the observed orbits of its moons, as the gravitational behavior of orbiting objects depends on the mass of the object being orbited.
  • One participant mentions that the deviation of the focal point of Mars' elliptical orbit around the Sun could be a quantity to check for consistency after estimating Mars' mass from the centripetal acceleration of its moons, Phobos and Deimos.
  • Another participant notes that while calculating the mass of a planet, the mass of the orbiting object can be neglected if it is significantly smaller than the planet's mass, but this approximation becomes less accurate as the orbiting body's mass increases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the accuracy of calculations depending on the mass of the orbiting body, indicating that there is no consensus on the best method for calculating the mass of Mars.

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Some limitations include the assumptions made regarding the mass of orbiting bodies and the potential inaccuracies introduced when those masses are not negligible.

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How scientists calculated the weight of Mars to be 6.39 × 10^23 kg?
 
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If you google for "calculate the mass of a planet" you'll find how this is done fairly quickly. I strongly suggest that you actually try the calculation - it is way more fun than just looking up the final answer.

If you do the math (just start with Newton's law of gravity) you'll find that the behavior of an orbiting object depends on the mass of the the object being orbited but not the mass of the orbiting object. This allows us to calculate the mass of Mars from the observed orbit of its moons, just as we canculate the mass of the sun from what we know of the Earth's orbit.
 
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Also, the amount how much a focal point of the elliptical orbit of Mars around Sun deviates from the centerpoint of Sun could be one quantity that can be checked for consistency (after estimating the mass of Mars from the centripetal acceleration of Phobos and Deimos).
 
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hilbert2 said:
Also, the amount how much a focal point of the elliptical orbit of Mars around Sun deviates from the centerpoint of Sun could be one quantity that can be checked for consistency (after estimating the mass of Mars from the centripetal acceleration of Phobos and Deimos).
Yes, good point, and that technique is essential when we don't have a convenient orbiting body - as is the case when we're trying to determine the mass of Earth's moon.
 
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Nugatory said:
If you google for "calculate the mass of a planet" you'll find how this is done fairly quickly. I strongly suggest that you actually try the calculation - it is way more fun than just looking up the final answer.

If you do the math (just start with Newton's law of gravity) you'll find that the behavior of an orbiting object depends on the mass of the the object being orbited but not the mass of the orbiting object. This allows us to calculate the mass of Mars from the observed orbit of its moons, just as we canculate the mass of the sun from what we know of the Earth's orbit.
Well, not exactly. As long as the mass of the orbiting object is very small compared to the planet, you get a fairly accurate answer. But as the mass of the orbiting body increases, it becomes less accurate. For example, if you were to calculate the Earth's mass from just the Moon's orbital period and distance while ignoring the Moon's mass vs. doing so while accounting for the Moon's mass, you would get answers that differ by about 1%
 
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