How to apply Newton's laws to non-rigid bodies?

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The discussion revolves around the application of Newton's laws to non-rigid bodies, particularly focusing on how to predict the motion of such bodies given their variable density, dimensions, and the forces acting on them. The scope includes theoretical considerations and potential applications in continuum mechanics and finite element analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to predict the motion of a non-rigid body given its finite size, variable density, and the forces acting on it, noting the challenges of drawing free body diagrams for each point mass.
  • Another participant suggests looking into continuum mechanics as a relevant field for this problem.
  • A different participant mentions that while free body diagrams for each point mass are theoretically possible, finite element analysis could be a practical approach for analyzing the structure by dividing it into segments and expressing forces as functions of length.
  • Another contribution discusses deriving general differential equations of motion for deformable solids or fluids by considering small differential volumes and applying mass and momentum balances, leading to equations like the Navier-Stokes equation.
  • One participant proposes considering all mass as concentrated at the center of mass to apply Newton's laws, prompting a challenge regarding the adequacy of this approach for understanding deformation distribution in fluids or solids.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of various methods for analyzing non-rigid bodies, with no consensus on a single approach. Some advocate for continuum mechanics and finite element analysis, while others question the effectiveness of simplifying assumptions like treating mass as concentrated at a point.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the complexity of modeling variable density and the challenges in applying traditional Newtonian mechanics to non-rigid bodies. The discussion highlights the need for a more nuanced understanding of forces and motion in such systems.

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Suppose we have a body of finite size which can be translated, rotated, compressed and stretched. We have every information about the body. We have its dimensions and everything. We have its mass and density. But, since I'm here talking about a completely generalized version, so we have variable density. So, we have the density function. And, at last, we have the both the magnitude and direction of all the forces acting on the body along with the co-ordinates of the points on which each force is acting.
Then, how to predict the motion of the body? We can't draw free body diagrams for each point mass in the body, right?
EDIT: I think we can't have a force which acts for an instant and ceases to exist after that. Since, forces cause motion, so there must be an impulse transfer for a finite time. So, we also have the time for which the forces act.
One more thing, to deal with compression and stretching, we also have the strength of bonds between atoms of the body in terms of binding energy and also the force between any two atoms as a function of distance between them along with the range of that force. How to predict the behavior of this body in response to forces?
 
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Nidum said:
Search on ' Continuum mechanics '
Thanks, that will do.
 
Prem1998 said:
We can't draw free body diagrams for each point mass in the body, right?
You could, in principle, do that. This is essentially the approach taken by finite element analysis. For a relatively simple structure like you describe, it would be enough to just about it up into two pieces of variable length and write the forces as a function of length. This is how a beam is usually analyzed.
 
Prem1998 said:
We can't draw free body diagrams for each point mass in the body, right?
This is pretty much exactly what is done in deriving the general differential equations of motion for a deformable solid or a fluid. You identify a small differential volume in space (in which the fluid or solid is present) and do a mass balance and a momentum balance on the material entering, exiting, and accumulating within the small volume. You end up with the so-called continuity equation (i.e., mass balance) and the so-called equation of motion (i.e., momentum balance). These are combined with the deformational mechanics equation of the material (e.g. Hooke's law in 3D for a linearly elastic solid or Newton's law of viscosity in 3D for a Newtonian fluid). The latter leads to the so-called Navier-Stokes equation.
 
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Consider all mass to be situated on a single point is center of mass then apply law for that point
 
mridul said:
Consider all mass to be situated on a single point is center of mass then apply law for that point
Do you really think this would tell you the kinematics of the deformation distribution experienced by a fluid or a solid?
 

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