How to Build a 3 Element Yagi Antenna and Analyze It with Free SDR Software

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The discussion revolves around the construction and analysis of a 3-element Yagi antenna using free SDR software. Participants explore electromagnetic theory, antenna directionality, measurement techniques, and practical aspects of building the antenna.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that building a 3-element Yagi antenna is a way to explore electromagnetic theory and offers to provide a detailed method and parts list.
  • Another participant challenges the characterization of the antenna as "highly directional," citing typical gain values of 6dBi-7dBi.
  • One participant argues that the measured gain values at different angles indicate a high level of directionality, with specific dB measurements provided.
  • Discussion includes the idea that adding more elements to the Yagi can increase its directionality.
  • Participants discuss the significance of forward-to-back ratio as a key parameter in evaluating antenna performance.
  • Questions arise about the validity of using dB measurements at different angles to assess gain, with concerns about the reference point for measurements.
  • One participant emphasizes the difference between theoretical predictions and practical measurements in antenna performance.
  • Another participant mentions the use of quality antenna simulation software to align theoretical and measured values.
  • Interest is expressed in attending an amateur radio conference and recommendations for antenna design software are requested.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the directionality of the 3-element Yagi antenna, with some asserting it is highly directional based on measurements, while others contest this characterization. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of measurement data and the relationship between theoretical and practical outcomes.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the reference points for dB measurements and the accuracy of theoretical predictions compared to practical results. The discussion also highlights the variability in noise floor measurements.

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Just sharing, to explore EM theory you can build a highly directional 3 element yagi antenna and usecfree SDR software to analyse it. The only cost is a SDR receiver if you want quantitative data.If someone wants to edit me I will write a detailed method and parts list including a tone generator and RF transmitter diagram etc with about 10 parts, no soldering needs.

Super cool non trivial physics made easy.
 
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At 90 degrees he n was -120 at zero degrees gain was -70 at 180 degrees gain was -80... That is highly directional in my opinion.

The goal of the project is to optimise that and or add more elements.

Angles are rel to omnidirectional VHF transmitter at very low power.
 
houlahound said:
At 90 degrees he n was -120 at zero degrees gain was -70 at 180 degrees gain was -80... That is highly directional in my opinion.

The goal of the project is to optimise that and or add more elements.

Angles are rel to omnidirectional VHF transmitter at very low power.

Directionality is not so much about comparing forward power to orthogonal power -- most Yagis will have good cancellation at 90 degrees. But as you add more elements, you get more directionality:

Yagi Gain vs Elements.jpg
 
berkeman said:
Directionality is not so much about comparing forward power to orthogonal power -- most Yagis will have good cancellation at 90 degrees. :

indeed. even a plain dipole has near zero radiation off its endsDave
 
The forward to back ratio was the key parameter in this project.
Curious, is it valid to take the ratio of two db measurements at different angles to give a measure of gain or just use the difference?

What the measurement tool reads is in reference to what is unclear.The -120 db is just the noise floor which changes every other day, -120db relative to what??
 
houlahound said:
The -120 db is just the noise floor which changes every other day, -120db relative to what??

you missed the important reference -120dBm not -120dB
actually its quite easy to get a receiver sensitivity to -120dBm

have a look at this site ...
http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/rf-technology-design/rf-noise-sensitivity/noise-floor.php

and this one ...
http://cp.literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/5952-8255E.pdf

there are dozens of others

here's a diagram I drew up many yrs ago using various references, when I was deep into
microwave band communications
Pathloss calcs.gif

Dave
 
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Theoretical and measured rarely agree in practical antennas. I would like to see your measured values.

The point of the project is this can be done for under $30 with household equipment.

Correction under $10 and that cost is for the coax connectors.
 
Dave I do appreciate the links, will read them.
 
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houlahound said:
Theoretical and measured rarely agree in practical antennas.

Not when you use quality antenna simulation software. :smile:

Are you by chance located in Northern California? Pacificon is coming up soon (amateur radio annual conference for NorCal), and the Friday seminar is a great antenna seminar. I highly recommend it and the ARRL Antenna Handbook...

www.pacificon.org

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not in US, would love to go tho. any recommendations on design software?
 
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sample data, hope you can view it;

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SDR interface;

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noise
 

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