How to Calculate the Potential Energy of Two Protons?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the potential energy of a system consisting of two protons separated by a distance. The original poster presents an integral formulation involving the electric field generated by the protons and seeks assistance in evaluating the integral in spherical coordinates.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to express the dot product of the electric fields in spherical coordinates but struggles to simplify the integral. Participants suggest rewriting expressions in terms of spherical coordinates to facilitate integration.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on rewriting the expressions to simplify the integral, and there appears to be progress as one participant reports successfully deriving a new integral form. However, the discussion does not indicate a final resolution or consensus on the approach.

Contextual Notes

The original poster expresses difficulty in finding a suitable expression for the dot product of the electric fields, indicating a potential gap in understanding or application of spherical coordinates in this context.

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Consider the electric field of two protons b meters apart.
The potential energy of the system is equal to:

U = \frac{\epsilon_0}{2}\int {\bf E}^2dv = \int({\bf E}_1+ {\bf E}_2)^2dv
= \frac{\epsilon_0}{2}\int {\bf E}_1^2dv + \frac{\epsilon_0}{2}\int {\bf E}_2^2dv + \epsilon_0 \int{\bf E}_1\cdot {\bf E}_2dv

The third integral is not hard to evaluate if you set it up in spherical coordinates with
one proton at the origin and the other along the polar axis (z axis) and perform the integration
over r first. Show that it integrates to
e^2/4\pi\epsilon_0b
2 The attempt at a solution

I have been trying to solve this problem for hours, but cannot find an expression for E1 dot E2 in spherical coordinates in a way that would make this integral easy. Any guidance would be appreciated.
 
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Hi ChowPuppy! :smile:

If the protons are at O and P, and a typical point is at X,

then you have cosOPX/PX2,

which you can write as PX*cosOPX/PX3

then find a simple expression for PX*cosOPX, write it all in terms of r (= OX), and you should get a perfect integral :wink:

show us what you get :smile:
 
Hey tiny-tim,

Thanks so much for the help!
I was finally able to get it, I think you meant cosPXO instead of cosOPX possibly, but
basically I was able to write PX*cosPXO = r - bcos\phi where \phi is
the usual spherical coordinate phi, and then using the pythagorean theorem I rewrote PX and came up with
this integral:
\int \frac{r - bcos\phi}{((bsin\phi)^2 + (r-bcos\phi)^2)^{\frac{3}{2}}}dr d\phi d\theta

And from there I was only a few substitutions away from my answer!:smile:
 
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:biggrin: Woohoo! :biggrin:

good puppy! :smile:
 

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