How to calculate this integral?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of an integral involving a cosine function, specifically R(s) = ∫ f(t)f(t+s) dt, where f(t) = Acos(wt + f0). The original poster expresses uncertainty about their previous result indicating divergence (∞) and seeks clarification on the integral's behavior.

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  • Participants discuss the use of LaTeX for clarity in presenting mathematical expressions. There are references to standard integral results and potential convergence issues related to the integral's bounds. Some participants suggest using external tools for verification.

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The conversation includes attempts to clarify the integral's setup and convergence properties. While some participants provide links and alternative methods for checking results, there is no explicit consensus on the integral's convergence, and multiple interpretations are being explored.

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Participants note that the integral does not converge for the given bounds, and there is mention of potential mistakes in the original setup or assumptions made by the original poster's teacher.

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Hi,How to calculate this integral:
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which
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I have ever calculated it and the result(R(s)) is ∞,but I don't think it's right,I'm not sure with it.
Thank you for your help!
neptunecs.
 

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neptunecs said:
Hi,How to calculate this integral:
attachment.php?attachmentid=6879&stc=1&d=1147344431.gif

which
attachment.php?attachmentid=6880&stc=1&d=1147344431.gif

I have ever calculated it and the result(R(s)) is ∞,but I don't think it's right,I'm not sure with it.
Thank you for your help!
neptunecs.

It'll take forever for the attachments to be approved, why not just use LaTex?
 
Curious3141 said:
It'll take forever for the attachments to be approved, why not just use LaTex?
where is LaTex in this forum?I didn't find it.Tell me,please.Thanks.
 
R(s)=[tex]\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} f(t)f(t+s) dt[/tex]
which f(t)=Acos(wt+f0)
Thank for Curious3141's help!
neptunecs.
 
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[tex]\int\cos mx \cos nx dx=\frac{\sin(m-n)x}{2(m-n)}+\frac{\sin(m+n)x}{2(m+n)}+c[/tex]

Of course the c will go because you have limits.

(This integral can be found in the front or back of most Calculus textbooks.)
 
neptunecs said:
R(s)=[tex]\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} f(t)f(t+s) dt[/tex]
which f(t)=Acos(wt+f0)
Thank you for Curious3141's help!
neptunecs.

You're welcome. If you're not that interested in the method, a quick way to get an answer is to try this link : http://integrals.wolfram.com/index.jsp

Just input the integrand as "b Cos[w x+k]b Cos[w(x+l)+k]" since the script uses x as the integrand by default. The constant I changed from A to b because Acos has a special meaning of arccosine. f0 corresponds to k and s corresponds to l.

EDIT : I had previously made a small error in the expression which changes the indef. integral but does not affect the convergence of the integral for the given bounds. Now the integrand expression is correct.
 
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And you're right, for the bounds given, the integral does not converge.
 
J77 said:
[tex]\int\cos mx \cos nx dx=\frac{\sin(m-n)x}{2(m-n)}+\frac{\sin(m+n)x}{2(m+n)}+c[/tex]

Of course the c will go because you have limits.

(This integral can be found in the front or back of most Calculus textbooks.)
Or he could've converted the integrand to complex form.. :D
 
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Curious3141 said:
And you're right, for the bounds given, the integral does not converge.
Thank you.
But the integral does not converge seems strange.Maybe my teacher made a mistake.
 
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I made a mistake in giving you that standard solution due to the phase shifts in your integrands...

Using the mathematica link, the solution should be:

[tex]\frac{A^2}{2}\left[t\cos(\omega s)+\frac{\cos(2\omega t)\sin(2f_0+\omega s)}{2\omega}+\frac{\cos(2f_0+\omega s)\sin(2\omega t)}{2\omega}\right]^\infty_{-\infty}[/tex]

Though you should check it too... the non-convergence thing still stands...
 
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J77 said:
I made a mistake in giving you that standard solution due to the phase shifts in your integrands...

Using the mathematica link, the solution should be:

[tex]\frac{A^2}{2}\left[t\cos(\omega s)+\frac{\cos(2\omega t)\sin(2f_0+\omega s)}{2\omega}+\frac{\cos(2f_0+\omega s)\sin(2\omega t)}{2\omega}\right]^\infty_{-\infty}[/tex]

Though you should check it too... the non-convergence thing still stands...
Thank very much.This solution is particular.
my teacher said It's non-convergence thing, too.
neptunecs.
 

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