How to caluculate the pressure immediately downstream of a sudden expansion

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the pressure immediately downstream of a sudden expansion in a fluid flow scenario, specifically involving water flowing out of a reservoir. The context includes considerations of energy balance, minor losses, and friction effects in the analysis.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to compute the pressure downstream of a sudden expansion and outlines their approach using energy balance and loss calculations.
  • Another participant suggests using the Bernoulli equation as a first approximation, despite acknowledging the presence of friction.
  • A later reply emphasizes the necessity of considering friction and suggests that energy balance should be the primary method used for this calculation.
  • Another participant references texts that provide analytic expressions for friction coefficients applicable to the flow geometry in question.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of the Bernoulli equation due to friction considerations, indicating that there is no consensus on the best approach to calculate the pressure downstream of the expansion.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need to account for minor and distributed losses, as well as friction effects, which complicate the application of the Bernoulli equation. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the appropriate methods and assumptions for the calculations.

Amaelle
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Homework Statement
Finding a pressure right downstream a sudden expansion ( the picture of the exercice is joined to the solution attempt)
Relevant Equations
Energy balance equation
Good day All
Here is the first ligne of the exercice that might not be visible
As shown in figure , water (kinematic viscosity of water v=1E-6 m2s-1)flows out of a reservoir with a sharp entrance at A.

My questions is how to compute the pressure pn right down stream the sudden expansion
IMG-20200206-WA0001 (1).jpg


My attempt:
after calculating the velocity V1 in the first pipline we know that
H pipe1 right down stream=Total energy H1 (of the first reservoir)-minor losses
H pipe2 right down stream =H pipe1-minor losses -distributed losses ((easy to calulate))

But still i have no idea how to find the pressure?
Many thanks in advance!
best regards
 
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Amaelle said:
Homework Statement:: Finding a pressure right downstream a sudden expansion ( the picture of the exercice is joined to the solution attempt)
Relevant Equations:: Energy balance equation

Good day All
Here is the first ligne of the exercice that might not be visible
As shown in figure , water (kinematic viscosity of water v=1E-6 m2s-1)flows out of a reservoir with a sharp entrance at A.

My questions is how to compute the pressure pn right down stream the sudden expansionView attachment 260039


My attempt:
after calculating the velocity V1 in the first pipline we know that
H pipe1 right down stream=Total energy H1 (of the first reservoir)-minor losses
H pipe2 right down stream =H pipe1-minor losses -distributed losses ((easy to calulate))

But still i have no idea how to find the pressure?
Many thanks in advance!
best regards
As a first approximation, why not just use the Bernoulli equation?
 
Thanks a lot but we have frictions so we can only use energy balance but still let's consider that we can do it how are you going to handle it?
 
Amaelle said:
Thanks a lot but we have frictions so we can only use energy balance but still let's consider that we can do it how are you going to handle it?
Transport Phenomena by Bird, Stewart, and Lightfoot, and other texts have analytic expressions for friction coefficients to use in flow geometries like this.
 
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thanks a lot!
 

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