How to derive equation from RLC circuit?

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The discussion centers around deriving a linear differential equation for an RLC circuit as depicted in a provided image. Participants explore various approaches to manipulate the circuit equations into a standard form suitable for analysis, focusing on the relationships between input voltage, output voltage, current, and circuit components.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an initial equation derived from Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL) but expresses uncertainty about how to proceed from that point.
  • Another participant suggests differentiating the equation to eliminate the integral, leading to a new equation that still poses challenges due to the presence of input and output voltage terms.
  • A different participant questions whether the goal is to find a differential equation for the output voltage given the input voltage and notes that the current depends on both resistances RA and RB, implying that RB should be included in the equation.
  • There is a reiteration of the need to express the equation in terms of the differentiation operator D and circuit parameters, with a focus on achieving the standard form of a linear differential equation.
  • One participant expresses confidence that the necessary form may already be achieved but acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the problem's requirements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to derive the differential equation. Multiple competing views and methods are discussed, with ongoing uncertainty about how to incorporate all relevant terms and parameters.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need to consider the roles of both RA and RB in the equations, as well as the challenge of expressing the relationship between input and output voltages. There is also a focus on the standard form of the differential equation, which remains unresolved.

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Homework Statement



http://imageshack.com/a/img580/682/z3mt.jpg

Derive a linear differential equation for the above LTI system.

Homework Equations


i_C=C\frac{dV_C(t)}{dt}

V_L=L\frac{di_L(t)}{dt}


The Attempt at a Solution


Using KVL, I can get the following equation:

V_{in}(t)=L\frac{di(t)_L}{dt}+i(t)R_A+\int\frac{i(t)}{C}dt+V_o(t)

However, I don't know where to go from here. All of the differential equations describing LTI systems in my textbook look like:

ay'' + by' + cy = g(x)

Or something similar to that, and then we factor out the y to get something like

(aD^2+bD+c)y = g(x)

Then we factor what's in the parenthesis to find the characteristic roots.

Any advice on how to proceed?
 
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so what operation could you do to that whole equation to get it into a form you feel comfortable with?
 
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Well, I thought about differentiating it to get rid of the integral, which results in:

\frac{dV_{in}(t)}{dt}=L\frac{d^2i(t)}{dt^2}+\frac{di(t)}{dt}R_A+\frac{i(t)}{C}+\frac{dV_{o}(t)}{dt}

But then I don't know where to go from there.. I think it's the V_{in} and V_o terms that are getting me tripped up.
 
Is the objective to find a D.E. that describes Vo(t) when there's a driving function of Vin(t)? Note that the current i(t) depends on RB as well as RA. So RB needs to appear in your equation.

If you find the D.E. for i(t) given Vin(t) (ignoring Vo for the moment), then you can convert it to a D.E. for Vo(t) easily enough since Vo(t) = i(t)*RB.
 
Nat3 said:
Well, I thought about differentiating it to get rid of the integral, which results in:

\frac{dV_{in}(t)}{dt}=L\frac{d^2i(t)}{dt^2}+\frac{di(t)}{dt}R_A+\frac{i(t)}{C}+\frac{dV_{o}(t)}{dt}

But then I don't know where to go from there.. I think it's the V_{in} and V_o terms that are getting me tripped up.

That's what I would have done. I don't know the convention in circuit analysis, but:

\Delta V = V_{out} - V_{in}

And then you're measuring the potential difference.
 
gneill said:
Is the objective to find a D.E. that describes Vo(t) when there's a driving function of Vin(t)? Note that the current i(t) depends on RB as well as RA. So RB needs to appear in your equation.

If you find the D.E. for i(t) given Vin(t) (ignoring Vo for the moment), then you can convert it to a D.E. for Vo(t) easily enough since Vo(t) = i(t)*RB.

The instructions say to derive a linear differential equation describing the circuit I posted, where the equation should be expressed in terms of the differentiation operator D and the circuit parameters (L, RA, RB, etc.)

The next problem is to find the characteristic roots and modes of the system, so I'm pretty sure that I need to get the equation in the standard form of ay′′+by′+cy=g(x), I'm just not sure how to get there :(
 
I think you have it already. You're not asked to solve it right?

edit: gotchya, missed that...
 
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