How to derive t1 in terms of t and t in terms of t1

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of equations relating time and distance in the context of observers in motion, specifically focusing on the transformation between two reference frames. Participants explore the meaning and implications of these equations, which appear to relate to the Lorentz transformation in special relativity.

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  • One participant presents equations relating position and time for two observers, seeking clarification on their derivation and meaning.
  • Another participant questions whether "c2" refers to "c squared" and suggests that the equations imply a classical interpretation of time, noting the absence of absolute time in physics.
  • A different participant proposes that the equations may be related to the Lorentz transformation, providing a link to a Wikipedia page for further exploration.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the definitions of variables, with participants identifying "x" as the position of a stationary observer and "x1" as that of a moving observer.
  • One participant expresses confusion over the original equations and requests a clearer presentation, including definitions of the parameters involved.
  • Another participant presents a more standard form of the Lorentz transformation equations, questioning the accuracy of the original equations and seeking clarification on the meanings of the variables used.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the original equations' correctness or their derivation. There are multiple interpretations and clarifications regarding the definitions of the variables and the context of the equations.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions behind the original equations, the definitions of the variables, and the context in which they are applied. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the relationship between the presented equations and established forms of the Lorentz transformation.

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1. (x=X1+vt1, x1=x-vt )

2.(t=t1+vx1/c2, t1=t-vx/c2 )


I know that 1. is x in terms x1 and x1 in terms of x.
I understand it very well, the adding and substracting of
velocity.

But i am unable to understand the 2.how these equation are
derived and what does they mean.

The mane problem is how they are derived.

Please help me.
 
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c2 means c^2 (c squared)?
This looks like a classical formula, as time passes at the same rate for t and t1. They are just shifted by a constant value, which is meaningless in physics (there is no absolute time in physical equations, just time differences).

Edit: Ah, those are the moving x1, x? Sorry, I am confused by your equations. Can you provide the source, or at least write them in a clean way (with [tex]tag would be perfect, together with an explanation what the parameters are)?[/tex]
 
x=stationary observer
x1=moving observer
c2= c squared
v= velocity
 
manvirsingh said:
x=stationary observer
x1=moving observer
c2= c squared
v= velocity
That still doesn't answer the question. I assume x is supposed to be a distance (not an observer) so you have to specify between what and what and measured by who. Similarly for the other terms.

The Lorentz transform is usually expressed in a form something like[tex] \begin{align}<br /> t_1 &= \frac{t - vx/c^2}{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}} \\<br /> x_1 &= \frac{x - vt}{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}} \\<br /> t &= \frac{t_1 + vx_1/c^2}{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}} \\<br /> x &= \frac{x_1 + vt_1}{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}}<br /> \end{align}[/tex]
where

t = time between event O and event E as measured by observer A
x = distance between event O and event E as measured by observer A
t1 = time between event O and event E as measured by observer B
x1 = distance between event O and event E as measured by observer B
v = velocity of observer B relative to observer A

My equations look rather different to yours, so did you really mean what you wrote? And if you did, what do the letters mean (they can't be the same as the meanings I gave).
 

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