How to Express the force as a Cartesian vector?

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The discussion revolves around expressing a force as a Cartesian vector, with participants analyzing the components of the force based on given angles and directions. The problem involves trigonometric calculations related to vector decomposition in three-dimensional space.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of force components using trigonometric functions, questioning the correctness of angles and signs in their initial setups. There is an exploration of the implications of the force's direction relative to the axes.

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Some participants have identified errors in their calculations and are revisiting their approaches. There is an ongoing examination of the setup of the problem, with some guidance provided regarding the interpretation of angles and components. Multiple interpretations of the force's direction are being explored.

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I am having trouble solving this problem, I also have it attached:

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Here is a short version of how I got my answers, but it says it’s wrong:

X=500cos(30)=433N

i= 433sin(45)=306.2
j=-433cos(45)=-306.0
k=-500sin(60)=-250

If you can, please explain what I’m doing wrong, thanks.
 

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JON123 said:
I am having trouble solving this problem, I also have it attached:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t193/John123321_bucket/Capture.png

Here is a short version of how I got my answers, but it says it’s wrong:

X=500cos(30)=433N

i= 433sin(45)=306.2
j=-433cos(45)=-306.0
k=-500sin(60)=-250

If you can, please explain what I’m doing wrong, thanks.
You can tell that the answer is wrong immediately as the highlighted line would suggest that F has a component in the negative z-direction. However, if you refer to the picture, it is clear that F acts "upwards" rather than "downwards". I would also check the angle (it shouldn't be sin(60).

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Thanks for the reply. The force is acting in the negative direction because it's 60 degrees from the negative z-axis, meaning that it's 30 degrees bellow the x&y-axis. And I just had a typo on the third line, it was supposed to be k=-500cos(60)=-250 giving me the z-component. I did figure out the answer and it was 250i-354j-250k. I got it using 500sin(30)i-500cos(45)j-500cos(60)k. I was just wondering if this is the right way to setup the problem.
 
JON123 said:
Thanks for the reply. The force is acting in the negative direction because it's 60 degrees from the negative z-axis, meaning that it's 30 degrees bellow the x&y-axis. And I just had a typo on the third line, it was supposed to be k=-500cos(60)=-250 giving me the z-component. I did figure out the answer and it was 250i-354j-250k. I got it using 500sin(30)i-500cos(45)j-500cos(60)k. I was just wondering if this is the right way to setup the problem.
Apologies, I misread the figure.
 
JON123 said:
Thanks for the reply. The force is acting in the negative direction because it's 60 degrees from the negative z-axis, meaning that it's 30 degrees bellow the x&y-axis. And I just had a typo on the third line, it was supposed to be k=-500cos(60)=-250 giving me the z-component. I did figure out the answer and it was 250i-354j-250k. I got it using 500sin(30)i-500cos(45)j-500cos(60)k. I was just wondering if this is the right way to setup the problem.
Explain how you came up with 500 sin 30 for the x-component.
 
I figured out how to solve the problem, and i see what i was doing wrong. I came up with the 500cos(30) by going at the problem backwards because I had found out the answer from someone, but i see that's not the right way to get the answer. I solved it by using the formulas:
Fx=Fcos(alpha)
Fy=Fcos(beta)
Fx=Fcos(gamma)

Because i didn't have alpha for Fx, i found Fy & Fz and used the magnitude to solve for Fx. F=sqr(Fx^2+Fy^2+Fz^2) -> Fx=sqrt(500^2-Fy^2+Fz^2)
 

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