# Triognometric problem with vectors (how to solve)

1. May 21, 2016

### pennywise1234

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
Use the graphical and trigonometic solutions to calculate the total muscle force vector from thefollowing three quadriceps muscles i) rectus femoris pulling 75 N at 5°laterally from the vertical, ii)vastus lateralis pulling 50 N at 30°laterally from the vertical, and iii) vastus medialis pulling 45 N at 40° medially from the vertical.

2. Relevant equations
i used basic trig to solve for each vector

3. The attempt at a solution
I got all vertical and horizontal components for each vector for the 75N at 5 degrees i go 75 horizontal and no vertical
for the 50N at 30 degrees i got 25 vertical and no horizontal

for 45N at 45 degrees i got 28.9 vertical and 34.5 horizontal

i added all the vertical and horizontal square rooted to get the resultant and was of by 10, so where or what did i do wrong ?

2. May 21, 2016

### Staff: Mentor

A knowledge of physiology tells you that these all act coplanar, does it? I assume they all act on the same side of the vertical, too?

What exactly does medially from the vertical mean here?
Wouldn't it require a 0° angle to give a zero component along one axis?

3. May 21, 2016

### pennywise1234

well medially in anatomical terms mean closest to the body. but i drew all vectors the on the same quadrant. i thought with 75N and 5 degrees would leave no room to draw a vertical component so i assumed no vertical and the just a horizontal (which would be 75N)

4. May 21, 2016

### Staff: Mentor

Hmm, that sounds a bit rough-and-ready. Where you approximate vertically to 0N it would actually be 6.54N using trigonometry.

5. May 21, 2016

### pennywise1234

ok thank you, i have to ask when if the vertical or horizontal components point to the left of down do count them as negative when doing your math?

6. May 21, 2016

### rpthomps

That's usually the convention yes. Assuming up and right are positive.

7. May 21, 2016

### pennywise1234

so if i am drawing a vector that is 175N at 190 degree, the 175N is negative?

8. May 21, 2016

### rpthomps

No, the 175 is not negative because you have a direction, which is the 190 degrees. The magnitude of the vector, which is the 175 in this case, is negative when you are comparing it with another direction that you have assigned as positive. For example, if you broke up the vector into its components going along the horizontal and vertical axis then those components could be assigned negative values if you established that right and up were going to be positive directions intially.

9. May 22, 2016

### Staff: Mentor

No. You first break it into its vertical and horizontal components, then decide whether either of those components lies in a negative direction.

10. May 22, 2016

### pennywise1234

i usually draw the vertical and horizontal components away from the origin, is that a correct way to do it?

11. May 22, 2016

### Staff: Mentor

Vectors can be translated, so translating them to the origin is correct.