How to find acceleration given two masses , an angle ,and kinetic fric

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The discussion revolves around calculating the acceleration of two connected masses, one hanging and the other sliding down a ramp, considering the effects of gravity, friction, and the angle of the ramp. The specific parameters include two masses (m1=3.2 kg and m2=4.7 kg), a ramp angle of 35 degrees, and a coefficient of kinetic friction of 0.30.

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  • Participants explore various equations to determine acceleration, questioning the signs and components of forces acting on the masses. There are attempts to clarify the setup of the problem, including which mass is hanging and which is on the ramp.

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The discussion is ongoing, with multiple participants providing different equations and interpretations of the forces involved. Some participants suggest corrections to previous attempts, while others express confusion about the results and seek further clarification.

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There is uncertainty regarding the correct application of trigonometric functions and the direction of forces acting on the masses. Participants are also questioning the need for unit conversions and the implications of their calculations.

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Two masses m1=3.2 kg and m2=4.7 kg are connected by a thin string running over a massless pulley. One of the masses hangs from the string , the other mass slides on a 35 degree ramp with a coefficient of kinetic friction uk= 0.30. What is the acceleration of the masses?

I used 9.81(4.7-3.2[0.3cos(35)-sin(35)]/(3.2+4.7)=7.13 but its wrong
 
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??
 


I think (g(m1sen35º-m1cos35ºuk+m2))/(m1+m2) should do the trick.
 


would I need to convert to any specific units? like mm to m, g to kg?
 


I did (9.81(3.2sin(35)-3.2cos(35)(0.3)+4.7))/(3.2+4.7)=7.13
and it is wrong
 


Does it tell you which mass is on which end of the string?
 


yea m2 is hanging at the end of the string
 

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Sneakatone said:
I did (9.81(3.2sin(35)-3.2cos(35)(0.3)+4.7))/(3.2+4.7)=7.13
and it is wrong

No, it gives -6.46, i.e the masses accelerate in the other direction.
 
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If your saying the answer for acceleration is -6.46 then its wrong.
 
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Try 6.46?
 
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that is also incorrect.
 

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Sneakatone said:
I did (9.81(3.2sin(35)-3.2cos(35)(0.3)+4.7))/(3.2+4.7)=7.13
and it is wrong
You have a sign wrong. Think about which way the forces on m1 parallel to the ramp act.
 
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I switched cos with sin n I got 8 which is wrong
 
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Sneakatone said:
I switched cos with sin n I got 8 which is wrong
Wrong correction. List the forces acting on m1 parallel to the ramp. What are their magnitudes? Which ones act in the direction of acceleration and which oppose it? What does that make the net force producing the acceleration?
 
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Oh, sorry, I misunderstood the first post.

Try this equation for the acceleration:

(g[-m1sin35°-m1cos35°μk+m2])/(m1+m2)

It gives 2,58 m/s^2
 
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can someone please help with my question now?
 
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Did my equation work?
 
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Bananas40 said:
Oh, sorry, I misunderstood the first post.

Try this equation for the acceleration:

(g[-m1sin35°-m1cos35°μk+m2])/(m1+m2)

It gives 2,58 m/s^2

I agree with that.
 

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