Acceleration directions and friction.

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The discussion revolves around analyzing a system involving a nylon string, a rubber stopper, and the forces acting on them, particularly focusing on friction and acceleration. The participants are trying to understand how centripetal acceleration interacts with gravitational acceleration in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are considering the need for vector resolution to determine total acceleration and questioning the forces acting on the system, including gravity, centripetal force, and friction. There is also discussion about the impact of friction on the results of an experiment.

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The conversation is ongoing, with some participants suggesting that friction may be more significant than initially thought, based on experimental results. There are inquiries about the experimental setup and measurements, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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Participants are discussing the effects of friction in relation to their experimental findings, which seem to deviate from expected theoretical values. There is mention of specific measurement techniques and the nature of the piping used in the experiment.

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Ok, I am analysing the situation in the attached image, and I am trying to find the frictional force between the nylon string and the top of the piping, but I am not sure what the value of acceleration will be. I understand how to do this when there is only acceleration due to gravity, but with this, centripetal acceleration is involved. Do I need to use vector resolution and find the total acceleration?
 

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SaxonMilton said:
Ok, I am analysing the situation in the attached image, and I am trying to find the frictional force between the nylon string and the top of the piping, but I am not sure what the value of acceleration will be. I understand how to do this when there is only acceleration due to gravity, but with this, centripetal acceleration is involved. Do I need to use vector resolution and find the total acceleration?


Ok, its very easy. Use total acceleration
 
What are the forces acting on the system?
 
Only gravity, and then also centripetal force once the rubber stopper begins spinning. But there is also the friction between the string and the pipe
 
SaxonMilton said:
Only gravity, and then also centripetal force once the rubber stopper begins spinning. But there is also the friction between the string and the pipe

Compared to the other forces involved, that friction is negligible.
 
PeterO said:
Compared to the other forces involved, that friction is negligible.

Yes, we also thought so, but we ran an experiment, and we found after comparing our results to what the values really should be using v = √(Fr/m), our values seemed to increase more so than the true values, so we believe that the additional frictional force is contributing and increasing the speed.
 
SaxonMilton said:
Yes, we also thought so, but we ran an experiment, and we found after comparing our results to what the values really should be using v = √(Fr/m), our values seemed to increase more so than the true values, so we believe that the additional frictional force is contributing and increasing the speed.

Was your piping a glass tube with the ends rounded by heating?

How were you measuring V. Why not start with 4∏2rm / T2 rather than mv2/r - as it is easier to measure the Period.
 
SaxonMilton said:
Yes, we also thought so, but we ran an experiment, and we found after comparing our results to what the values really should be using v = √(Fr/m), our values seemed to increase more so than the true values, so we believe that the additional frictional force is contributing and increasing the speed.
Pls explain more about the experimental procedure, what was measured, and the results.
 

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