How to find deceleration to stop collision with moving body?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the necessary constant deceleration for a high-speed train to avoid colliding with a slower locomotive on the same track. The initial speeds of the trains are 161 km/h for the passenger train and 29 km/h for the locomotive, with a distance of 676 meters separating them. Various equations of motion are applied, leading to different calculated deceleration values, with the book answer being -0.994 m/s². Participants explore both direct calculations and relative motion approaches, confirming that the train must slow down to match the locomotive's speed to prevent a collision. The correct method yields a consistent deceleration value, emphasizing the importance of relative speed in solving the problem.
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Homework Statement


"When a high-speed passenger train traveling at 161 km/h rounds a bend, the engineer is shocked to see that a locomotive has improperly entered onto the track from a siding and is a distance D = 676 m ahead (Fig.2-29). The locomotive is moving at 29.0 km/h. The engineer of the high-speed train immediately applies the brakes. What must be the magnitude of the resulting constant deceleration if a collision is to be just avoided?"

Homework Equations


##v_A=44.72 \frac{m}{s}##
##v_B=8.056 \frac{m}{s}##
##x_0=0m##
##x_1=676m##
##x_2 - x_1 = v_0t+\frac{1}{2}at^2##
##a_B = 0 \frac{m}{s^2}##
##x_2 = (8.056 \frac{m}{s})(t) + (676m)##
##x - x_0 = \frac{1}{2}(v_0+v)t##
Answer as given by book: -0.994 m/s2

The Attempt at a Solution


First, I used the last equation on the list, expressing ##x_2## in terms of t...

##(8.056 \frac{m}{s})(t) + (676m) - x_0= \frac{1}{2}(44.72\frac{m}{s})t##
since ##x_0=0\frac{m}{s^2}##
##(16.1\frac{m}{s})t+1352m=(44.72\frac{m}{s})t##
##t(16.1\frac{m}{s}-44.72\frac{m}{s}) = -1352m##
##t(-28.62\frac{m}{s})=-1352m##
##t=47.26s##

Then I plugged this time into the original distance equation to find the distance traveled by the locomotive plus 676:

##x_2 = (8.056 \frac{m}{s})(47.26) + (676m) = 1056.7m##

Then using this distance, I used the formula: ##x-x_0=v_0t+\frac{1}{2}at^2##, while substituting the appropriate values.

##1056.7m=(44.72 \frac{m}{s})(47.26s)+\frac{1}{2}a(47.26s)^2##
##2113.4m=4226.9344m+a(2233.51s^2)##
##-2113.5344m=a(2233.51s^2)##
##a=-0.946\frac{m}{s^2} ≠ -0.994\frac{m}{s^2}##

I have some confidence that I did this right, since the answers match up so closely. I was thinking the book had some kind of misprint, but I just wanted to see if I was doing this problem correctly or not, just to make sure.
 
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The train does not need to stop to avoid collision with the other one.
 
I get it. So it just has to slow down to the point that its velocity equals that of the locomotive it is to avoid contact with.

##(8.056\frac{m}{s})t+676=\frac{1}{2}(44.72\frac{m}{s}+8.056\frac{m}{s})t##
##(16.11\frac{m}{s})+1352m=(52.78\frac{m}{s})t##
##t=36.873s##
##x_2=(8.056\frac{m}{s})(36.873s)+676m=973.03m##
##973.03=(44.72\frac{m}{s})(36.873s)+\frac{1}{2}a(36.873s)^2##
##1946.061m=3297.92m+a(1359.62s^2)##
##-1351.8594m=a(1359.62s^2)##
##a=-0.994\frac{m}{s^2}##
 
Eclair_de_XII said:
I get it. So it just has to slow down to the point that its velocity equals that of the locomotive it is to avoid contact with.

##(8.056\frac{m}{s})t+676=\frac{1}{2}(44.72\frac{m}{s}+8.056\frac{m}{s})t##
##(16.11\frac{m}{s})+1352m=(52.78\frac{m}{s})t##
##t=36.873s##
##x_2=(8.056\frac{m}{s})(36.873s)+676m=973.03m##
##973.03=(44.72\frac{m}{s})(36.873s)+\frac{1}{2}a(36.873s)^2##
##1946.061m=3297.92m+a(1359.62s^2)##
##-1351.8594m=a(1359.62s^2)##
##a=-0.994\frac{m}{s^2}##
Well done, but there is an easier way. Consider the motions relative to the slow locomotive. That one is stationary; how fast is the other approaching, at first? Given the initial relative speed, the final relative speed (0) and the initial separation, what equation will give you the acceleration directly?
 
Relative speed, huh? So the speed of the faster locomotive relative to the slower one. I tried fooling around with the numbers, subtracting the speed of the slower train from the faster train.

##v=44.72\frac{m}{s}-8.05\frac{m}{s} = 36.67\frac{m}{s}##
##v_0=0\frac{m}{s}##
##x=0m##
##x_0=676m##
##v^2=v_0^2+2a(x-x_0)##
##(36.67\frac{m}{s})^2=2a(-676m)##
##1344.44\frac{m^2}{s^2}=2a(-676m)##
##a=-0.944116\frac{m}{s^2}##

Is that right?
 
Eclair_de_XII said:
Relative speed, huh? So the speed of the faster locomotive relative to the slower one. I tried fooling around with the numbers, subtracting the speed of the slower train from the faster train.

##v=44.72\frac{m}{s}-8.05\frac{m}{s} = 36.67\frac{m}{s}##
##v_0=0\frac{m}{s}##
##x=0m##
##x_0=676m##
##v^2=v_0^2+2a(x-x_0)##
##(36.67\frac{m}{s})^2=2a(-676m)##
##1344.44\frac{m^2}{s^2}=2a(-676m)##
##a=-0.944116\frac{m}{s^2}##

Is that right?
That's the right method, but using it I got -0.994.
 
Oh, I made a typo; it was -0.9944116.
 
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