How to Integrate Termwise Between 0 and x?

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the series representation of the function 1/(1+x) = 1 - x + x^2 - x^3 + ... between the limits 0 and x. Participants explore the process of long division of polynomials and how to apply termwise integration to the resulting series.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the initial steps of calculating the series and integrating termwise.
  • Another participant suggests that long division of polynomials is necessary and encourages practicing with simpler polynomials first.
  • A participant attempts to implement the long division but believes their results are incorrect, questioning the cancellation of terms.
  • There is a correction regarding the misinterpretation of breaking up the denominator, emphasizing that it cannot be done in the way suggested.
  • One participant demonstrates the long division process step-by-step, showing how to derive the series representation.
  • Another participant acknowledges their mistake in understanding the pattern and successfully derives the series up to the fifth term.
  • A later reply suggests that to integrate termwise, each term of the series should be integrated separately, indicating that the integration can be expressed as a sum of integrals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the integration process, and there are multiple viewpoints regarding the correct application of long division and the subsequent integration of the series.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific conditions for x, noting that the discussion is relevant for -1 < x <= 1. There are also indications of confusion regarding the proper application of polynomial long division and termwise integration.

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Not sure when this problem in my book says to calculate by long division the series 1/(1+x) = 1 - x + x^2 - x^3 + ..., and then integrating termwise between 0 and x.

I am really rusty on these types of problems and need help understanding how to even begin T.T. Thanks for the help.
 
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I don't get the integrating between 0 and x part. But have you ever done long division of polynomials? That's all this is, one of the polynomials is p(x) = 1 + x and the other one is q(x) = 1. Try working with some other polynomials first, then see if you can pick up the pattern doing it this way.
 
Not sure if I correctly implemented your response but here is what I tried:

1/(1+x) = 1 + 1/x

-x/(1+x) = -x - 1

x^2/(1+x) = x^2 + x

-x^3/(1+x) = -x^3 - x^2

However, this seems to be incorrect because everything cancels except the 1/x

1/(x+1) = 1 + 1/x - x - 1 + x^2 + x -x^3 - x^3 + ...

I must have misinterpreted your response and this is really starting to get to me. Shouldnt everything cancel to where 1/(x+1) = 1 + 1/x ?
 
DEMJR said:
I must have misinterpreted your response and this is really starting to get to me. Shouldnt everything cancel to where 1/(x+1) = 1 + 1/x ?

No, you can't do this. You can't break up the denomnator like that. As a simple, example, take x = 0.


I suggest googling "long division of polynomials" and look at some examples, then try it with your problem.
 
1+ x)1- x+ x^2- x^3+ ...

Obviously 1 divides into 1 1 time so we have then subtract
1- x+ x^2- x^3+ ...
1+ x
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-2x+ x^2- x^3+...

And 1 divides into -2x -2x times. Multiplying and subtract
-2x+ x^2- x^3+ ...
-2x- 2x^2
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3x^2- x^3+...

Now 1 divides into that 3x^2 times so multiplying and subtracting
3x^2- x^3+ x^4- x^5
3x^2+3x^3
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-3x^3+ x^4- x^5

So far we have 1- 2x+ 3x^2. See the pattern?
 
long hand division example:
Code:
                1      - x + x^2 - x^3 + ...
        -------------------------------
1 + x | 1
          1  + x
          ------
              - x
              - x  - x^2
              ----------
                      x^2
                      x^2 + x^3
                      ----------
                            - x^3
                            - x^3  - x^4
                            ------------
                                        x^4
                                        ...
 
Thanks. I see the pattern and realize my mistake in my previous post (so silly of me). I did it for the next few terms and got it to be 1 - 2x + 3x^2 - 4x^3 + 5x^4 - 6x^5

How can I use the pattern to integrate termwise between 0 and x?

I forgot to mention in the original post that we are interested in -1 < x <= 1.
 
DEMJR said:
1/(1+x) = 1 - x + x^2 - x^3 + ...
DEMJR said:
How can I use the pattern to integrate termwise between 0 and x?
I think you're supposed to integrate each term, but since this is a sum, there's no reason these couldn't all be combined into one integral:

\int_0^x 1 dx - \int_0^x x dx + \int_0^x x^2 dx - \int_0^x x^3 dx \ + \ ...
 
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