How to mix parafin wax with chemicals

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of mixing chemicals with paraffin wax to create color flames in candles. Participants explore various chemical options, their properties, and potential methods for achieving the desired effects, while considering safety and toxicity issues.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about affordable and non-toxic chemicals that can be mixed with paraffin wax to create color flames.
  • Another suggests that various metals can produce colored flames, mentioning specific examples like iron (red), copper (green), potassium (purple), magnesium (white), and cobalt (blue), while expressing uncertainty about the long-term effects of combustion products.
  • A participant questions the feasibility of mixing chemicals directly into paraffin wax rather than using the wick.
  • It is noted that color flames are primarily achievable with metals, as organic chemicals do not yield unusual colors when burned.
  • Some participants discuss the potential use of copper salts and chelating compounds, suggesting that modifications may be necessary for compatibility with paraffin wax.
  • One participant shares their experience of soaking wicks in copper salt solutions, which produced some color but was ultimately masked by the wax's natural flame color.
  • Another participant mentions the need to emulsify the wax and salts for better results, expressing uncertainty about how to proceed.
  • A suggestion is made to use copper soap (copper stearate or copper oleate) as a possible solution.
  • One participant expresses interest in learning more about the technology for creating color flame candles, referencing a costly commercial option.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that metals are necessary for producing color flames, but there is no consensus on the best methods or specific chemicals to use. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the effectiveness and safety of various approaches.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations related to the solubility of salts in paraffin wax and the masking effect of the wax's natural flame color. There are also concerns about the toxicity of certain chemicals when burned.

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I'm looking for a way to make a color flame candle . Are there any chemicals I can mix into paraffin wax to achieve these properties? The chemicals I'm looking for would be chemicals that don't cost very much and won't make the wax toxic when I'm burning it .
 
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Various Metals burn with coloured flames but you would need to draw them up with the paraffin wax. Alternatively you could try putting them in the wick.

Iron (Red I think, can't remember) and copper (Green) are probably the easiest to use. Pottasium burns Purple, magnesium bright white and I think Cobalt burns Blue.

As to the long term effects of breathing in the combustion products I'm not sure. It will make the candles soot more though and that soot will deposit metal oxides on walls and ceilings that will be much harder to remove than carbon soot.
 
Is there any way to mix chemicals into parafix wax instead of putting in the wick ?
 
See post below
 
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Opps! Sorry, the title of the OP confused me.

Color flames are only possible with metals like copper (green), cadmium (brick red) and so forth. Organic chemicals would burn in the flame and not yield any unusual color. Heavy metals and transition metals have the most intense color. Many are toxic but some are not (like sodium).

Search for "flame tests" to find out more about colors. Many colors require a higher temperature than is possible in a wax candle flame. A wax candle flame has too much hot soot (yellow) and would mask most colors except the brightest (sodium).
 
You might try mixing a copper salt with a chelating compound like EDTA or Citric acid. The chelating compound might have to be modified to be more paraffin-like, however. For copper you might want to try an alphahydroxy carboxylic acid like citric. Copper salicylate might also work. Calcium stearate might give you a red color that mixes with paraffin.

Stay away from anything containing nitrogen or sulfur. They will probably disperse the metal but will produce toxic byproducts.

Try dipping a Coleman lantern sock into a solution of copper sulfate or calcium acetate and allow it to dry. Ignite it as usual and see if any colored flames are produced.
 
Thank you for your advice . I will try .

I used to try to mix a solution of copper salt with parafin wax ,
but it can not be dissolved.

I would like to know what kind of chemicals I should use in order to dissolve
in parafin wax .

For example , what kind of copper salt can be dissolved in parafin wax ? Is it Copper salicylate ? why ? and how could i know ?

It would be kind , if someone guided me.
 
try copper soap (AKA copper stearate or copper oleate). Instructions here.

http://www.copper.org/applications/compounds/other_compounds.html
 
Hi,
I was reading through this because I have a similar issue. I am trying to make candles with color flames. There is a nice site that lists some minerals and salts that when added to a bonfire can make different colors http://chemistry.about.com/cs/howtos/a/aa052703a.htm
I created fully concentrated water solutions from several of the recommended chems such as Cupper Chloride and Copper Sulfate in which I soaked the wicks overnight. This produced some color when the wick was burned by itself, but as predicted in this forum the natural flame color of any added wax completely cancled any interesting colorings. Since salts do not dissolve in wax I tried grinding up the chems and mixing thoroughly and uniformly in the wax but this also did not produce any desired effects. All this has lead me to think I need to emulsify the wax and salts but I don't really know how to do this or where to begin even. Unless the chems can be dissovled in the wax I really don't think this will work. Can anyone give me a direction to look in please?
 
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Dear Pdotp,

did you get the required answer or the way to make colour flame candles?
if so pls share with me i am so interesting.

that technology is sold at NIIR India but its around 1600 $. its unbearable for me.


Thanks,

Darshana
 

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