How to obtain these equations in 'Spinors in Physics' by J Hladik?

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The discussion revolves around understanding specific equations from the book "Spinors in Physics" by J Hladik, particularly focusing on equations 1.1.10 to 1.1.12 and their implications in the context of stereographic projection and vector relationships.

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  • Participants share their understanding of the equations and express confusion regarding the relationships between vectors X1, X2, and X3, particularly in the context of stereographic projection. Some participants reflect on the manipulations involved and question the reasoning behind specific choices made in the equations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering insights and personal reflections on their understanding. Some have provided guidance on how to approach the equations, while others are still grappling with the implications of certain steps and choices made in the equations.

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Participants note that the equations involve complex relationships and manipulations, and there is a recognition of the potential for oversight in understanding these relationships. The choice in equation 1.1.12 is discussed as possibly arbitrary, raising questions about its derivation and purpose.

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Homework Statement
Help required on how to obtain equations 1.1.11.
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Please see attachments in my attempt at solution,
From the book Spinors in Physics by J Hladik:

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I understood up to equations 1.1.10.
From 1.1.10 the vectors X1 and X2 depend on vector X3. But the point represented by X3 is projected stereographically to the point represented by the complex number in 1.1.4.
I understand that x3=y1z2 - y2z1 in equations 1.1.11, but I do not follow
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Any help please,
Thanks.
 
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grzz said:
I understand that x3=y1z2 - y2z1 in equations 1.1.11, but I do not follow
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See (1.1.5) and (1.1.9)
 
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TSny said:
See (1.1.5) and (1.1.9)
I want to KICK myself!
All I had to do was, just multiplying the RHS of the equations 1.1.9 by
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which is equal to 1.
Thanks TSny.
 
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grzz said:
All I had to do was, just multiplying the RHS of the equations 1.1.9 by View attachment 360642
which is equal to 1.
Yes. There are a lot of manipulations going on, so it is easy to overlook something simple. For example, it took me a while to see the last equality in (1.1.3) when it was only necessary to remember ##x^2+y^2+z^2 = 1##.o:)
 
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TSny said:
Yes. There are a lot of manipulations going on, so it is easy to overlook something simple. For example, it took me a while to see the last equality in (1.1.3) when it was only necessary to remember ##x^2+y^2+z^2 = 1##.o:)
I want to tell you that your last reply was a comfort to me.
And now when I continued to,
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I was wondering why was this particular choice made. Does one arrive at this choice by trial and error in order to obtain some desired result?
Any ideas?
Thanks.
 
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It looks like the book pulls the choice (1.1.12) out of thin air. But you can verify that with this choice, {X1, X2, X3} is a set of mutually perpendicular unit vectors with X3 = X1 x X2.
 
Now I notice that the, apparently arbitrary, choice in 1.1.12 was made as a preparation for 1.1.24.
 
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Yeah, that step from 1.1.10 to 1.1.11 is a bit dense. I think the key is treating the stereographic projection and the complex structure together — maybe try expressing the components explicitly in terms of y1,y2,z1,z2y_1, y_2, z_1, z_2y1,y2,z1,z2 and see how the cross-product forms. That helped me get some clarity when I looked at a similar setup.
 
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