How to prove $a_n\to 0$ using the sequence location theorem?

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The discussion centers on proving that the sequence \(a_n\) converges to 0 under the condition that \(\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n} \to L\) with \(L < 1\) and \(a_n > 0\). Participants explore both indirect and direct proof methods, including the use of the sequence location theorem.

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  • One participant presents an indirect proof showing that if \(a_n\) does not tend to 0, it leads to a contradiction regarding the limit of \(\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\).
  • Another participant seeks a direct proof that avoids contradiction, hinting at a relationship involving \(|a_n - 0| < \epsilon\) and the boundedness of \(\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\).
  • A subsequent post questions whether the hints provided lead to a proof by induction and asks about establishing a base case.
  • One participant proposes proving by induction that \(0 < a_n < L^n a_1\) and showing that this geometric sequence converges to 0.
  • Another participant elaborates on this approach, using the sequence location theorem to establish bounds on \(a_n\) and concludes that \(a_n \to 0\) as \(k \to \infty\).

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Participants present multiple approaches to the proof, with no consensus on a single method being preferred. The discussion includes both indirect and direct proof strategies, indicating a variety of perspectives on how to approach the problem.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the direct proof methods and the implications of the hints provided. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the sequence location theorem and its application to the problem.

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Assume $\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\to L$, where $L<1$ and $a_n>0$. Prove that

(a) $\{a_n\}$ is decreasing for $n\gg 1$;

I've done this part.

(b) $a_n\to 0$ (Give two proofs: an indirect one using (a), and a direct one.)

Indirect proof: Assume for the sake of argument that $a_n$ does not tend to 0. Since the sequence is decreasing and bounded below by 0, it must converge to a positive value (call it $l$).

$\lim\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}=\frac{l}{l}=1$, a contradiction. So, $a_n\to 0$.

How do I go about the direct proof (one that doesn't use "proof by contradiction")?
 
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Alexmahone said:
How do I go about the direct proof (one that doesn't use "proof by contradiction")?

Hint

$|a_{n}-0|<\epsilon\Leftrightarrow |a_{n+1}\cdot (a_n/a_{n+1})|<\epsilon \Leftrightarrow |a_{n+1}|<|a_{n+1}/a_n|\epsilon$ and $a_{n+1}/a_n$ is bounded.
 
Fernando Revilla said:
Hint

$|a_{n}-0|<\epsilon\Leftrightarrow |a_{n+1}\cdot (a_n/a_{n+1})|<\epsilon \Leftrightarrow |a_{n+1}|<|a_{n+1}/a_n|\epsilon$ and $a_{n+1}/a_n$ is bounded.

Is this a proof by induction that $|a_n|<\epsilon$? If so, how do we prove the base case for $n=1$?
 
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I would, rather, prove by induction that $0< a_n< L^n a_1$ and show that that geometric sequence converges to 0.
 
HallsofIvy said:
I would, rather, prove by induction that $0< a_n< L^n a_1$ and show that that geometric sequence converges to 0.

I used a slightly different approach:

$L<\frac{L+1}{2}$

$\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}<\frac{L+1}{2}$ for $n\gg 1$ (Using the "sequence location theorem")

So, $a_{n+1}< \left(\frac{L+1}{2}\right)a_n$ for $n\ge N$

$a_{N+k}<\left(\frac{L+1}{2}\right)^k a_N$ for $k\ge 1$ (Can be proved using induction over $k$.)

Since $\frac{L+1}{2}<1$, $a_{N+k}\to 0$ as $k\to\infty$.

So, $a_n\to 0$.
 
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