Change of variables Laplace Equation

F}{\partial \theta} + \frac 1r \frac{\partial}{\partial r} \left( r \frac{\partial F}{\partial r}\right) + \frac 1{r^2} \frac{\partial^2 F}{\partial \theta^2} .In summary, to write Laplace's equation in terms of polar coordinates, we first take the first derivatives of F with respect to x and y, then use the operators \dfrac {\partial } {\partial x} and \dfrac {\partial } {\partial y} to find the second derivatives. However, there was an error
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Homework Statement



Write the Laplace equation [tex]\dfrac {\partial ^{2}F} {\partial x^{2}}+\dfrac {\partial ^{2}F} {\partial y^{2}}=0[/tex] in terms of polar coordinates.

Homework Equations


[tex]
r=\sqrt {x^{2}+y^{2}}
[/tex]
[tex]
\theta =\tan ^{-1}(\frac{y}{x})
[/tex]
[tex]
\dfrac {\partial r} {\partial x}=\cos \theta
[/tex]
[tex]
\dfrac {\partial \theta } {\partial x}=-\dfrac {\sin \theta } {r}
[/tex]
[tex]
\dfrac {\partial r} {\partial y}=\sin \theta
[/tex]
[tex]
\dfrac {\partial \theta } {\partial y}=\dfrac {\cos \theta } {r}
[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



My goal was to find the second derivative of F with respect to x and y in terms of derivatives in terms of r and theta and then substitute into Laplace's equation. So I started by taking the first derivative with respect to x and y to get:
[tex]

\dfrac {\partial F} {\partial x}=\dfrac {\partial F} {\partial r}\cdot \dfrac {\partial r} {\partial x}+\dfrac {\partial F} {\partial \theta }\cdot \dfrac {\partial \theta } {\partial x} =\cos \theta \dfrac {\partial F} {\partial r}-\dfrac {\sin \theta } {r}\dfrac {\partial F} {\partial \theta }
[/tex]
[tex]
\dfrac {\partial F} {\partial y}=\dfrac {\partial F} {\partial r}\cdot \dfrac {\partial r} {\partial y}+\dfrac {\partial F} {\partial \theta }-\dfrac {\partial \theta } {\partial y} =\sin \theta \dfrac {\partial F} {\partial r}+\dfrac {\cos \theta } {r}\dfrac {\partial F} {\partial \theta }
[/tex]Based on [itex] \dfrac {\partial F} {\partial x} [/itex], I found the operator [itex]\dfrac {\partial } {\partial x}[/itex] to be

[tex]\dfrac {\partial } {\partial x}=\left( \cos \theta \dfrac {\partial } {\partial r}-\dfrac {\sin \theta } {r}\dfrac {\partial } {\partial \theta }\right) [/tex]

and [itex]\dfrac {\partial } {\partial y}[/itex] to be

[tex]\dfrac {\partial } {\partial y}=\left( \sin \theta \dfrac {\partial } {\partial r}+\dfrac {\cos \theta } {r}\dfrac {\partial } {\partial \theta }\right) [/tex]

Now I need to find [itex]\dfrac {\partial ^{2}F} {\partial x^{2}}=\dfrac {\partial } {\partial x}\left( \dfrac {\partial F} {\partial x}\right) [/itex] and I get:

[tex]\dfrac {\partial } {\partial x}\left( \dfrac {\partial F} {\partial x}\right) =\left( \cos \theta \dfrac {\partial } {\partial r}-\dfrac {\sin \theta } {r}\dfrac {d} {\partial \theta }\right) \left( \cos \theta \dfrac {\partial F} {\partial r}-\dfrac {\sin \theta } {r}\dfrac {\partial F} {\partial \theta }\right) [/tex]

I distribute to and simplify to get:
[tex]\dfrac {\partial } {\partial x}\left( \dfrac {\partial F} {\partial x}\right) =\cos ^{2}\theta \dfrac {\partial ^{2}F} {\partial r^2}-\dfrac {2} {r}\sin \theta \cos \theta \dfrac {\partial f^{2}} {\partial rd\theta }+\dfrac {\sin ^{2}\theta } {r^{2}}\dfrac {d^{2}F} {d\theta ^{2}}[/tex]

Now I need the same for [itex]\dfrac {\partial ^{2}F} {\partial y^{2}}=\dfrac {\partial } {\partial y}\left( \dfrac {\partial F} {\partial y}\right) [/itex] and I get:

[tex]\dfrac {\partial } {\partial y}\left( \dfrac {\partial F} {\partial y}\right) =\left( \sin \theta \dfrac {\partial } {\partial r}+\dfrac {\cos \theta } {r}\dfrac {\partial } {\partial \theta }\right) \left( sin\theta \dfrac {\partial F} {\partial r}+\dfrac {\cos \theta } {r}\dfrac {\partial F} {\partial \theta }\right) [/tex]

I distribute and simplify to get:
[tex]\dfrac {\partial } {\partial y}\left( \dfrac {\partial F} {dy}\right) =\sin ^{2}\theta \dfrac {\partial ^{2}F} {\partial r^{2}}+\dfrac {2\sin \theta \cos \theta } {r}\dfrac {\partial ^{2}F} {\partial rd\theta }+\dfrac {\cos ^{2}\theta } {r^{2}}\dfrac {\partial ^{2}F} {\partial \theta ^{2}}[/tex]

When I add these two second derivatives (wrt to x and y) and simplify, I get:
[tex]\dfrac {\partial ^{2}F} {\partial x^{2}}+\dfrac {\partial ^{2}F} {\partial y^{2}}=\dfrac {d^{2}F} {\partial r^{2}}+\dfrac {1} {r^{2}}\dfrac {\partial ^{2}F} {\partial \theta ^{2}}[/tex]

But this is not completely right. The second term is correct, but the answer should be:
[tex]\dfrac {1} {r}\dfrac {\partial } {\partial r}\left( r\dfrac {\partial F} {\partial r}\right) +\dfrac {1} {r^{2}}\dfrac {\partial ^{2}F} {\partial \theta ^{2}}[/tex]

I know this is a long post, but any ideas on where I went wrong?

Thanks so much in advance.
 
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eprparadox said:

Homework Statement



Write the Laplace equation [tex]\dfrac {\partial ^{2}F} {\partial x^{2}}+\dfrac {\partial ^{2}F} {\partial y^{2}}=0[/tex] in terms of polar coordinates.

Homework Equations


[tex]
r=\sqrt {x^{2}+y^{2}}
[/tex]
[tex]
\theta =\tan ^{-1}(\frac{y}{x})
[/tex]
[tex]
\dfrac {\partial r} {\partial x}=\cos \theta
[/tex]
[tex]
\dfrac {\partial \theta } {\partial x}=-\dfrac {\sin \theta } {r}
[/tex]
[tex]
\dfrac {\partial r} {\partial y}=\sin \theta
[/tex]
[tex]
\dfrac {\partial \theta } {\partial y}=\dfrac {\cos \theta } {r}
[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



My goal was to find the second derivative of F with respect to x and y in terms of derivatives in terms of r and theta and then substitute into Laplace's equation. So I started by taking the first derivative with respect to x and y to get:
[tex]

\dfrac {\partial F} {\partial x}=\dfrac {\partial F} {\partial r}\cdot \dfrac {\partial r} {\partial x}+\dfrac {\partial F} {\partial \theta }\cdot \dfrac {\partial \theta } {\partial x} =\cos \theta \dfrac {\partial F} {\partial r}-\dfrac {\sin \theta } {r}\dfrac {\partial F} {\partial \theta }
[/tex]
[tex]
\dfrac {\partial F} {\partial y}=\dfrac {\partial F} {\partial r}\cdot \dfrac {\partial r} {\partial y}+\dfrac {\partial F} {\partial \theta }-\dfrac {\partial \theta } {\partial y} =\sin \theta \dfrac {\partial F} {\partial r}+\dfrac {\cos \theta } {r}\dfrac {\partial F} {\partial \theta }
[/tex]Based on [itex] \dfrac {\partial F} {\partial x} [/itex], I found the operator [itex]\dfrac {\partial } {\partial x}[/itex] to be

[tex]\dfrac {\partial } {\partial x}=\left( \cos \theta \dfrac {\partial } {\partial r}-\dfrac {\sin \theta } {r}\dfrac {\partial } {\partial \theta }\right) [/tex]

and [itex]\dfrac {\partial } {\partial y}[/itex] to be

[tex]\dfrac {\partial } {\partial y}=\left( \sin \theta \dfrac {\partial } {\partial r}+\dfrac {\cos \theta } {r}\dfrac {\partial } {\partial \theta }\right) [/tex]

Correct so far.

Now I need to find [itex]\dfrac {\partial ^{2}F} {\partial x^{2}}=\dfrac {\partial } {\partial x}\left( \dfrac {\partial F} {\partial x}\right) [/itex] and I get:

[tex]\dfrac {\partial } {\partial x}\left( \dfrac {\partial F} {\partial x}\right) =\left( \cos \theta \dfrac {\partial } {\partial r}-\dfrac {\sin \theta } {r}\dfrac {d} {\partial \theta }\right) \left( \cos \theta \dfrac {\partial F} {\partial r}-\dfrac {\sin \theta } {r}\dfrac {\partial F} {\partial \theta }\right) [/tex]

I distribute to and simplify to get:
[tex]\dfrac {\partial } {\partial x}\left( \dfrac {\partial F} {\partial x}\right) =\cos ^{2}\theta \dfrac {\partial ^{2}F} {\partial r^2}-\dfrac {2} {r}\sin \theta \cos \theta \dfrac {\partial f^{2}} {\partial rd\theta }+\dfrac {\sin ^{2}\theta } {r^{2}}\dfrac {d^{2}F} {d\theta ^{2}}[/tex]

Here is your error. You should find that [tex]
\frac{\partial}{\partial r}\left( \cos \theta \frac{\partial F}{\partial r} - \frac{\sin \theta}r \frac{\partial F}{\partial \theta} \right) =
\cos \theta \frac{\partial^2 F}{\partial r^2} - \frac{\sin\theta}{r} \frac{\partial^2 F}{\partial r\,\partial \theta} + \frac{\sin\theta}{r^2} \frac{\partial F}{\partial \theta}
[/tex] and [tex]
\frac{\partial}{\partial \theta} \left( \cos \theta \frac{\partial F}{\partial r} - \frac{\sin \theta}r \frac{\partial F}{\partial \theta} \right) =
\cos \theta \frac{\partial^2 F}{\partial r\,\partial\theta} - \sin \theta \frac{\partial F}{\partial r} - \frac{\sin \theta}r \frac{\partial^2 F}{\partial \theta^2} - \frac{\cos\theta}r \frac{\partial F}{\partial \theta}[/tex] and hence that [tex]
\frac{\partial^2 F}{\partial x^2} = \cos^2 \theta \frac{\partial^2 F}{\partial r^2} + \frac{\sin^2 \theta}{r} \frac{\partial F}{\partial r} + \frac{\sin^2 \theta}{r^2} \frac{\partial^2 F}{\partial \theta^2}
- 2\frac{\cos \theta \sin \theta}r \frac{\partial^2 F}{\partial r\,\partial\theta} + 2\frac{\cos\theta \sin \theta}{r^2} \frac{\partial F}{\partial \theta}.[/tex]

I suspect you have made a similar error in your calculation of [itex]\frac{\partial^2 F}{\partial y^2}[/itex].
 

What is the Laplace equation?

The Laplace equation is a partial differential equation that describes the relationship between the second-order spatial derivatives of a function. It is commonly used in physics and engineering to model various physical phenomena, such as heat transfer and fluid dynamics.

What is a change of variables in the Laplace equation?

A change of variables is a mathematical technique used to transform the independent variables in a function. In the context of the Laplace equation, it involves substituting the original variables with new ones to simplify the equation and make it easier to solve.

Why is a change of variables useful in the Laplace equation?

A change of variables can help to transform a complex and difficult-to-solve Laplace equation into a simpler form that is easier to work with. This can make it possible to find analytical solutions or to solve the equation numerically using numerical methods.

What are the steps for performing a change of variables in the Laplace equation?

The steps for performing a change of variables in the Laplace equation are as follows:

  1. Identify the original variables in the Laplace equation.
  2. Choose new variables to substitute for the original ones.
  3. Use the chain rule to express the Laplace equation in terms of the new variables.
  4. Simplify the equation by canceling out terms.
  5. Solve the simplified equation for the new variables.
  6. Substitute the solutions back into the original variables to get the final solution to the Laplace equation.

What are some common examples of change of variables in the Laplace equation?

Some common examples of change of variables in the Laplace equation include polar coordinates, cylindrical coordinates, and spherical coordinates. These changes of variables are often used to solve Laplace equations for problems involving circular, cylindrical, or spherical symmetry.

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