How to Simplify the Integral in an Arc Length Problem with Parametric Equations?

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The discussion revolves around simplifying an integral related to the arc length of a curve defined by parametric equations, specifically x = (cos(t))^2 and y = cos(t). Participants are exploring the integral L = integral from 0 to 4pi (sqrt((dx/dt)^2+(dy/dt)^2)) and how to simplify it effectively.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss taking the square root of a common factor and suggest potential substitutions for integration. There is uncertainty about the simplification process and the validity of the chosen substitutions.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on possible substitutions and have pointed out the need to consider absolute values in the integration process. Multiple interpretations of the integral and its simplification are being explored, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of their substitutions and the resulting expressions, noting that some attempts have led to unexpected results, such as a calculated length of zero. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions behind the chosen substitutions.

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Okay, so I was given the parametric equations of x = (cos(t))^2 and y = cos(t). So I found dy/dt = -sin(t) and dx/dt = -2sin(t)cos(t). This is where I am getting stuck, so I have the L = integral from 0 to 4pi (sqrt((dx/dt)^2+(dy/dt)^2)) , but I don't know how to simplify this to get the answer to the problem. Can anyone help, thanks!
 
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Take the square root of the common factor of sin^t, and then integrate either by substitution or by inspection.

Regards,
George
 
Sorry, forget the "by inspection" part of my previous post.

You end up with

[tex]\int_{0}^{4\pi} \sqrt{1 + 4 \cos^2 t} \sin t dt,[/tex]

right?

I don't see a fast way to do this integral, but I can see how to do it using a couple of substitutions.

What might be a good first substitution?

Regards,
George
 
Also, make sure to take the absolute value of the sin(t) you pull out of the square root.
 
I took 1 + 4cos(x) as u, and I could integrate that, but when I solved for the length it was 0.
This is what I did:
- 1/4 * integral(sqrt(u^2)du)
- 1/4 * ((u)^2/(2))evaluated @ 0 to 4pi
 
dark_omen said:
I took 1 + 4cos(x) as u, and I could integrate that, but when I solved for the length it was 0.
This is what I did:
- 1/4 * integral(sqrt(u^2)du)
- 1/4 * ((u)^2/(2))evaluated @ 0 to 4pi
If u = 1+ 4cos(t), then u^2 would be 1 + 8 cos(t) + 16 cos^2(t) !
So wrong u!

Now, you should take u= cos(t) and you will have something like the integral of sqrt(1+4 u^2)
 

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