How to Solve a Trig Sub Problem with Substitution?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the integral \(\int_{0}^{2\sqrt{3}} \frac{x^3}{\sqrt{16-x^2}}dx\) using trigonometric substitution. Participants are exploring the implications of their substitutions and the resulting transformations of the integral.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the substitution \(x=4\sin\phi\) and the resulting changes in the integral. There are questions about the limits of integration and whether a second substitution might simplify the problem further. Some participants also point out potential errors in the manipulation of terms and the importance of maintaining proper notation.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and suggestions for further exploration. There is recognition of the need to adjust limits of integration and the potential for additional substitutions to clarify the problem. No consensus has been reached, but there are constructive contributions aimed at guiding the original poster.

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Participants note the importance of changing the bounds of integration with each substitution, which is emphasized as a critical step in the process. There is also mention of potential confusion arising from missing parentheses in expressions.

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heres what i have:

[tex]\int_{0}^{2\sqrt{3}} \frac {x^3}{\sqrt{16-x^2}}dx[/tex]
let [tex]x=4sin\phi[/tex]

[tex]dx=4cos4\phi[/tex]

[tex]\sqrt{16-x^2} = \sqrt{16-4sin^2\phi} = \sqrt{4cos^2\phi = 4cos\phi[/tex]

[tex]\int_{0}^{2\sqrt{3}} \frac{x^3}{\sqrt{16-x^2}}dx[/tex]

[tex]\int_{0}^{2\sqrt{3}} \frac{4sin^3\phi}{4cos\phi}4cos\phi d\phi[/tex]

[tex]= 4\int_{0}^{2\sqrt{3}} sin^3/phi[/tex]

[tex]=4\int_{0}^{2\sqrt{3}}sin^2\phi(sin(phi)[/tex]

[tex]=4\int_{0}^{2\sqrt{3}} 1-cos^2\phi(sin\phi)[/tex]

[tex]=4\int_{0}^{2\sqrt{3}} sin\phi - sin \phi (cos^2\phi)[/tex]

this is as far as i went because i think i messed up

any help would be appreciated
 
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I don't see you changing your limits of integration when you made the substitution. To address your question though, back up one step and think to yourself "can I make a 2nd substitution that would greatly simplify the problem?".
 
[tex]=4\int_{0}^{2\sqrt{3}} 1-cos^2\phi(sin\phi)[/tex]

here?
 
Disregarding the missing parentheses, I believe you could do something with that in the form of a substitution (well the same thing is visible in the last one but I felt it was slightly less obvious there)
 
A little help

suspenc3 said:
heres what i have:

[tex]\int_{0}^{2\sqrt{3}} \frac {x^3}{\sqrt{16-x^2}}dx[/tex]
let [tex]x=4\sin\phi\Rightarrow dx=4\cos4\phi[/tex] and [tex]0\leq x\leq 2\sqrt{3} \Rightarrow 0\leq\phi\leq \frac{\pi}{3}[/tex]

[tex]\sqrt{16-x^2} = \sqrt{16-4^2\sin^2\phi} = \sqrt{16\cos^2\phi} = 4\cos\phi[/tex]

[tex]\int_{0}^{2\sqrt{3}} \frac{x^3}{\sqrt{16-x^2}}dx=\int_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{3}} \frac{4^3\sin^3\phi}{4\cos\phi}4\cos\phi d\phi[/tex]
[tex]= 4^3\int_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{3}} \sin^3\phi[/tex]
[tex]=64\int_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{3}}\sin^2\phi\sin\phi d\phi[/tex]
[tex]=64\int_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{3}} (1-\cos^2\phi )\sin\phi d\phi[/tex]

this is as far as i went because i think i messed up
any help would be appreciated

now let [tex]u=\cos\phi \Rightarrow du=-\sin\phi d\phi[/tex] and [tex]0\leq\phi\leq \frac{\pi}{3} \Rightarrow 1\leq u\leq \frac{1}{2}[/tex] to get

[tex]=-64\int_{1}^{\frac{1}{2}} (1-u^2)du =64\int_{\frac{1}{2}}^{1} (1-u^2)du[/tex]
[tex]= 64 \left[ u-\frac{1}{3}u^3\right]_{u = \frac{1}{2}}^{1} = 64 \left[ (1-\frac{1}{3}) - (\frac{1}{2}-\frac{1}{24} )\right][/tex]
[tex]=64 \left( \frac{2}{3} - \frac{11}{24}\right) = 64 \frac{5}{24} =\boxed{\frac{40}{3}}[/tex]

The big help here was changing the bounds of integration with each substitution (rather thatn backwards substitution later).

You're doing well: keep going.

-Ben
 

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