How to Solve Integrals Using Trig Substitution?

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The discussion revolves around solving an integral using trigonometric substitution, specifically the integral of dx/((9-(x^2))^(3/2)) with limits A = 0 and B = 3/2. Participants explore the application of trigonometric identities and substitutions in the context of calculus.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of trigonometric substitutions, such as x = 3sin(θ), and the implications of these substitutions on the integral's limits. Questions arise regarding the anti-derivative of sec^2(θ) and the relationship between trigonometric functions and their derivatives.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the substitution process and questioning the handling of limits after substitution. Some guidance is offered regarding the conversion of trigonometric functions and the evaluation of the integral, but no consensus on a complete solution has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the limits of integration after performing substitutions and the correct interpretation of trigonometric identities. There are also mentions of confusion regarding the notation used for angles (θ and φ) and the need for clarity in the substitution process.

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Homework Statement

integral of
dx/((9-(x^2))^(3/2)) A = 0, B = 3/2



Homework Equations

Trigonometry Substitutions



3. The Attempt at a Solution : I am stuck with this question. So far, I got
(1/9)integral of (1/cos^2(θ)) dθ
 
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Do you know a trig function with derivative sec-squared?
 
That's my problem. My trigonometry is very limited. I do not know of a Anti-derivative of sec^2θ
 
KDeep said:
That's my problem. My trigonometry is very limited. I do not know of a Anti-derivative of sec^2θ

What is the derivative of tan(θ)?
 
the derivative of tan(∅) is sec^2(∅). I get 1/9(tan((sin(∅))) | , Could someone solve the entire problem for me ? and reply with the steps to get there.
This would be a lot of help!
 
KDeep said:
the derivative of tan(∅) is sec^2(∅). I get 1/9(tan((sin(∅))) | , Could someone solve the entire problem for me ? and reply with the steps to get there.
This would be a lot of help!

That's not right. It's just a little confused. What you need to do is show how you got there and then people can tell you where you are going wrong.
 
A = 0 , B = 3/2 ∫ dx/((9-x2)3/2)

First I substituted , x = 3sin∅ , dx = 3cos∅d∅

∫ 3cos∅d∅/(32-(3sin∅)2)3/2

Then I factored.

∫ 3cos∅d∅/(32(1-sin2∅))3/2

Then I used the trig identity to convert 1-sin2∅ to cos2θ

∫ 3cos∅d∅/(32cos2∅)3/2

Then I simplified

(1/9) ∫ (1/cos2θ) d∅

Then I anti-derived that into..

(1/9) tanθ | [ I do not know what to do after this, Since it is respect to ∅]

To conclude, I cannot use A and B, Since those are respect to x. I am stuck on this part.
 
differential equation

Can you tell me how to crack the following problems?:

1) y=2x(dy/dx)-y(dy/dx)2

2) (d2y/dx2)+y=2 cos2(x)+sin(3x)
 
KDeep said:
A = 0 , B = 3/2 ∫ dx/((9-x2)3/2)

First I substituted , x = 3sin∅ , dx = 3cos∅d∅

∫ 3cos∅d∅/(32-(3sin∅)2)3/2

Then I factored.

∫ 3cos∅d∅/(32(1-sin2∅))3/2

Then I used the trig identity to convert 1-sin2∅ to cos2θ

∫ 3cos∅d∅/(32cos2∅)3/2

Then I simplified

(1/9) ∫ (1/cos2θ) d∅

Then I anti-derived that into..

(1/9) tanθ | [ I do not know what to do after this, Since it is respect to ∅]

To conclude, I cannot use A and B, Since those are respect to x. I am stuck on this part.

Pretty good. You've got both thetas and phis floating around there. Intended to mean the same thing, I hope. One way to do it is the find the theta limits, since you substituted x=3*sin(θ) you just need to solve 3/2=3*sin(θ) and 0=3*sin(θ). If you want to eliminate the trig functions altogether you can solve for theta using the arcsin function. θ=arcsin(x/3). There's also a way to simplify tan(arcsin(x/3)). Any of this sounding familiar?
 
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ammus said:
Can you tell me how to crack the following problems?:

1) y=2x(dy/dx)-y(dy/dx)2

2) (d2y/dx2)+y=2 cos2(x)+sin(3x)

That has nothing to do with this thread. You really need to start a new one.
 
  • #11
Ok that's what I was going for.

So tan(sin-1(x/3))

(sin-1((3/2)/3)) is ∏/6 right?


1/9 (Tan (∏/6) - Tan(0)) ? Am I on the right track?
 
  • #12
KDeep said:
Ok that's what I was going for.

So tan(sin-1(x/3))

(sin-1((3/2)/3)) is ∏/6 right?1/9 (Tan (∏/6) - Tan(0)) ? Am I on the right track?

That's exactly right. It's also good practice to think about how you might express tan(θ) in terms of x. Since sin(θ)=x/3 and sine=opposite/hypotenuse draw a right triangle with opposite side length x and hypotenuse length 3. Then figure out the length of the adjacent side. Now tan(θ)=opposite/adjacent.
 
  • #13
Yeah thanks for the tip.

So the answer is 1/(9√3)? Am I correct?
 
  • #14
KDeep said:
Yeah thanks for the tip.

So the answer is 1/(9√3)? Am I correct?

Yes, it is.
 

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