How to Solve LaGrange Multiplier Problems for Intersection of Surfaces?

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The discussion revolves around finding the highest and lowest points on the curve of intersection between an elliptic paraboloid and a cylinder using Lagrange multipliers. The specific functions involved are Z = X² + 4Y² and X² + Y² = 1.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the gradient equations of the functions and the setup of the Lagrange multiplier equations. There is uncertainty about how to proceed after setting the equations equal and whether certain variables can be canceled. Questions arise regarding the implications of different values for λ.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various possibilities for λ and questioning the validity of canceling terms in the equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the implications of different λ values, but no consensus has been reached on the next steps.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem as stated, and there is a focus on the implications of the equations derived from the Lagrange multiplier method. The discussion highlights potential ambiguities in the setup and the need for further exploration of the relationships between the variables.

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Homework Statement



Consider the intersection of the elliptic paraboloid Z = X2+4Y2 , and the cylinder X2+Y2= 1. Use Lagrange multipliers to find the highest, and lowest points on the curve of intersection.

Homework Equations


The gradient equations of both functions.

The Attempt at a Solution



I have ∇f= <2X, 8Y> and ∇g= <2X, 2Y>. the constraint equation is X2+Y2 = 1.

I set the equations equal to get:

2X = (2X)λ 8Y = (2Y)λ

When I try to solve it always removes the variable. Where do I go from here to solve?
 
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Baumer8993 said:

Homework Statement



Consider the intersection of the elliptic paraboloid Z = X2+4Y2 , and the cylinder X2+Y2= 1. Use Lagrange multipliers to find the highest, and lowest points on the curve of intersection.


Homework Equations


The gradient equations of both functions.


The Attempt at a Solution



I have ∇f= <2X, 8Y> and ∇g= <2X, 2Y>. the constraint equation is X2+Y2 = 1.

I set the equations equal to get:

2X = (2X)λ 8Y = (2Y)λ

When I try to solve it always removes the variable. Where do I go from here to solve?

Look at the first equation ## 2x = 2x \lambda##. Can you cancel the ##2x## on both sides? Why, or why not?
 
I think you can, but it would just leave me with λ = 1.
 
Baumer8993 said:
I think you can, but it would just leave me with λ = 1.

OK, so? Work it through to the end.

BTW: there is another possibility having λ ≠ 1; can you see why?
 
I see that λ could also equal 4, but where do I go from plugging in the lambda values? I just end up with 2x=2x, and 8y=2Y, or do I need to use both λ lambda values at the same time?
 
Baumer8993 said:
I see that λ could also equal 4, but where do I go from plugging in the lambda values? I just end up with 2x=2x, and 8y=2Y, or do I need to use both λ lambda values at the same time?

You have three equations, one involving x and λ, one involving y and λ, and the constraint.
 

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