How to start this Vector Space Property Proof?

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The discussion revolves around proving a property of vector spaces, specifically that if λ|v> = μ|v> for non-zero |v>, then λ must equal μ. Participants are exploring the implications of this statement within the context of vector space axioms.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting various algebraic manipulations, such as adding or subtracting terms from both sides of the equation. There is uncertainty about the validity of these steps and whether they lead to the desired conclusion.

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Some participants have provided hints and suggestions for approaching the proof, while others express confusion about their reasoning. There is an ongoing exploration of whether certain assumptions are valid, particularly regarding the implications of scalar multiplication in vector spaces.

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Participants are working within the constraints of homework rules that require them to show their attempts before receiving guidance. There is also a mention of differing familiarity with notation used in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Let |v> ∈ V with |v> ≠ |0>, and let λ, μ ∈ ℂ.
Prove that if λ|v> = μ|v>, then λ = μ

Homework Equations


Vector Space Axioms

The Attempt at a Solution


I am struggling to begin with this one.
I can think of tons of different ways to begin, but all seem to get into a hazy area where I am unsure.
I could start by adding or "subtracting" from both sides λ|v> or by adding 0 to both sides, or any other traditional proof ways.

Is there any hint to help me go in the right direction?
 
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RJLiberator said:

Homework Statement


Let |v> ∈ V with |v> ≠ |0>, and let λ, μ ∈ ℂ.
Prove that if λ|v> = μ|v>, then λ = μ

Homework Equations


Vector Space Axioms

The Attempt at a Solution


I am struggling to begin with this one.
I can think of tons of different ways to begin, but all seem to get into a hazy area where I am unsure.
I could start by adding or "subtracting" from both sides λ|v> or by adding 0 to both sides, or any other traditional proof ways.

Is there any hint to help me go in the right direction?

PF rules: show us your attempt first, then we are allowed to give hints.
 
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Thanks for the reply.

I can give you a first attempt, I have many disaster steps.
It should be a simple proof, I am just seemingly taking the wrong first steps.

λ|v> = μ|v> (this is what we have)
First step is the challenging part: I don't know, let's try adding λ|v> to both sides.
λ|v> + λ|v> = μ|v> + λ|v>
(λ+λ)|v> = (μ+λ) |v>
Now we see that λ+λ = μ+λ
And so with simple subtraction we get λ = μ

Is that a correct way of doing it? I feel like I am skidding by something here...
 
RJLiberator said:
Thanks for the reply.

I can give you a first attempt, I have many disaster steps.
It should be a simple proof, I am just seemingly taking the wrong first steps.

λ|v> = μ|v> (this is what we have)
First step is the challenging part: I don't know, let's try adding λ|v> to both sides.
I would suggest subtracting μ|v> from both sides (or adding -μ|v> to both sides).
This would give you λ|v> - μ|v> = |0>
(I have to admit, I'm not very familiar with this notation. It seems to be used more by physicists than by mathematicians, AFAIK.)
RJLiberator said:
λ|v> + λ|v> = μ|v> + λ|v>
(λ+λ)|v> = (μ+λ) |v>
Now we see that λ+λ = μ+λ
And so with simple subtraction we get λ = μ

Is that a correct way of doing it? I feel like I am skidding by something here...
 
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If I were to subtract, the proof looks as follows:
λ|v> = μ|v>
λ|v> - μ|v> = μ|v> - μ|v>
λ|v> - μ|v> = 0

But isn't this essentially what we started with?
How do we go from here to prove that λ = μ ?
Do we say:

λ|v> - μ|v> = 0
(λ-μ)|v> = 0 and since v ≠ 0 then λ-μ must = 0, and so it follows that λ = μ.

That seems like a correct path! Excellent.

It's as if my proof writing abilities are increased tenfold when I write a post on Physics Forums.
 
RJLiberator said:
Thanks for the reply.

I can give you a first attempt, I have many disaster steps.
It should be a simple proof, I am just seemingly taking the wrong first steps.

λ|v> = μ|v> (this is what we have)
First step is the challenging part: I don't know, let's try adding λ|v> to both sides.
λ|v> + λ|v> = μ|v> + λ|v>
(λ+λ)|v> = (μ+λ) |v>
Now we see that λ+λ = μ+λ
And so with simple subtraction we get λ = μ

Is that a correct way of doing it? I feel like I am skidding by something here...

No: if you have not yet proven that ##\lambda |v \rangle = \mu |v \rangle \Longrightarrow \lambda = \mu##, then you have no reason to suppose that
## (\lambda + \lambda) |v \rangle = (\lambda + \mu) |v \rangle \Longrightarrow \lambda + \lambda = \lambda + \mu##. Basically, you are just assuming the result you want to prove.
 
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@Ray Vickson , How about this last part that I concluded off of Mark's hint

If we have (λ-μ) |v> = 0
and since |v> ≠0, we can say (λ-μ) must equal 0, correct?

Or is this still assuming the result?
 
RJLiberator said:
@Ray Vickson , How about this last part that I concluded off of Mark's hint

If we have (λ-μ) |v> = 0
and since |v> ≠0, we can say (λ-μ) must equal 0, correct?
Correct. You that λ|v> - μ|v> = (λ-μ) |v> because of one of the vector space axioms that pertain to scalar multiplication.
RJLiberator said:
Or is this still assuming the result?
Assuming the result would be assuming that λ = μ.
 
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RJLiberator said:
@Ray Vickson , How about this last part that I concluded off of Mark's hint

If we have (λ-μ) |v> = 0
and since |v> ≠0, we can say (λ-μ) must equal 0, correct?

Or is this still assuming the result?

No, probably not, provided you have already proven that ##c |v\rangle = |0 \rangle## implies ##c = 0##, or else have assumed it as an axiom.
 
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Ah, I see the difference.

In my first proof we had λ+λ = λ+μ
Where I was assuming the result.

In this last proof we have λ-μ = 0
Where we are not assuming anything here, we are showing what is needed.
 

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