How to translate from polar to cartesian coordinates:

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The discussion focuses on converting the polar equation r = 2 /(2 - cos(theta)) into Cartesian coordinates. Participants detail their steps, including using known relationships between polar and Cartesian coordinates, such as x = rcos(theta) and r^2 = x^2 + y^2. A key point raised is the misuse of the distributive property when manipulating square roots, which can lead to incorrect conclusions about the resulting graph. The conversation highlights the importance of checking each step in the conversion process to avoid losing parts of the graph. Overall, the thread emphasizes careful mathematical reasoning in coordinate transformations.
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How to translate r = 2 /(2 - cos(theta)) to cartesian coordinates:


so far:

r = 2 /(2 - cos(theta))

r = 2 /(2 - cos(theta)) |* (2 - cos(theta)) both sides

r (2 - cos(theta))= 2

2*r - rcos(theta) = 2 | know x = rcos(theta)

2*r - x = 2 | know r^2 = x^2 + y^2

2*(x^2 + y^2)^1/2 - x = 2 | : 2

(x^2 + y^2)^1/2 - x/2 = 1 | opens the parentheses

x^2*1/2 + y^2*1/2 - x/2 = 1

x + y - x/2 = 1

y = 1 - x/2 | is this the solution?


Thank you in advance for help.

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sjombol
 
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sjombol said:
How to translate r = 2 /(2 - cos(theta)) to cartesian coordinates:


so far:

r = 2 /(2 - cos(theta))

r = 2 /(2 - cos(theta)) |* (2 - cos(theta)) both sides

r (2 - cos(theta))= 2

2*r - rcos(theta) = 2 | know x = rcos(theta)

2*r - x = 2 | know r^2 = x^2 + y^2

2*(x^2 + y^2)^1/2 - x = 2 | : 2

(x^2 + y^2)^1/2 - x/2 = 1 | opens the parentheses

x^2*1/2 + y^2*1/2 - x/2 = 1

Is ##\sqrt{a+b} = \sqrt a + \sqrt b##?
 
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It's interesting that you document each step along the way with what you did, and I think that's a good thing. Where you fell down, as LCKurtz notes, is in the step that you describe as "opens the parentheses". The distributive property, which is usually represented something like this -- a(b + c) = ab + ac -- might be what you were thinking. The problem is that that this property applies only to multiplication of a sum. It doesn't apply to expressions raised to powers (including square roots) or other operations.
 
Thank you both very much for your reply :-)

It's been a while since last time I went to school, guess old habits do die sometimes or at least needs refreshing. Another go then:

r = 2 /(2 - cos(theta))

r = 2 /(2 - cos(theta)) |* (2 - cos(theta)) both sides

r (2 - cos(theta))= 2

2*r - rcos(theta) = 2 | know x = rcos(theta)

2*r - x = 2 | know r^2 = x^2 + y^2

2*(x^2 + y^2)^1/2 - x = 2 | move x to right side and both sides ^2, gives me:

2^2 * ((x^2 + y^2)^1/2)^2 = (x + 2)^2

4 * (x^2 + y^2) = (x + 2)^2

4x^2 + 4y^2 = x^2 + 4x + 4 | move 4x^2 to right side

4y^2 = x^2 + 4x + 4 - 4x^2

4y^2 = -3x^2 + 4x + 4 | divide by 4 and takes the square root, giving me:y = ((-3x^2 + 4x + 4)/4)^1/2 | the calculator draws this as an half ellipse, above x-axis ?
 
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I didn't check all your steps, but if you only took the positive square root, it wouldn't surprise me if half the graph is missing.
 
sjombol said:
Thank you both very much for your reply :-)

It's been a while since last time I went to school, guess old habits do die sometimes or at least needs refreshing.


Another go then:

r = 2 /(2 - cos(theta))

r = 2 /(2 - cos(theta)) |* (2 - cos(theta)) both sides

r (2 - cos(theta))= 2

2*r - rcos(theta) = 2 | know x = rcos(theta)

2*r - x = 2 | know r^2 = x^2 + y^2

2*(x^2 + y^2)^1/2 - x = 2 | move x to right side and both sides ^2, gives me:

2^2 * ((x^2 + y^2)^1/2)^2 = (x + 2)^2

4 * (x^2 + y^2) = (x + 2)^2

4x^2 + 4y^2 = x^2 + 4x + 4 | move 4x^2 to right side

4y^2 = x^2 + 4x + 4 - 4x^2

4y^2 = -3x^2 + 4x + 4 | divide by 4 and takes the square root, giving me:
Why take the square root? You understand that you will be losing half the graph that way, don't you?

y = ((-3x^2 + 4x + 4)/4)^1/2 | the calculator draws this as an half ellipse, above x-axis ?
 
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