How to Use a 12V Motor as a Generator for a Heating Element?

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of using a 12V motor as a generator to power a heating element that requires 12V. Participants explore the requirements for heating elements, the capabilities of motors and generators, and the implications of using different power sources.

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Main Points Raised

  • Sarah inquires about using a 12V motor to power a heating element, seeking clarification on the output of such a motor.
  • Some participants clarify that a generator, not a motor, is needed for this application, especially when discussing the power requirements for heating elements.
  • One participant mentions that a large deep discharge battery could supply sufficient power for a short duration, but questions the wattage requirements of the heating element.
  • Another participant emphasizes the necessity of knowing the wattage of the heating element to provide meaningful assistance.
  • There is a suggestion that Sarah may be pursuing a patent, which raises concerns about sharing too much information in a public forum.
  • A later reply proposes that if Sarah has a motor, it could potentially be used as a generator in certain scenarios, such as on a motorized bike.
  • Participants express frustration over the lack of specific details regarding the heating element's wattage, which is crucial for further discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that a generator is required rather than a motor for the intended purpose. However, there is no consensus on the specifics of how to implement this or the necessary details about the heating element.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of specific wattage information for the heating element and the uncertainty regarding the operational context (e.g., duration of use, type of heating element). There are also unresolved questions about the practicality of using a motor as a generator.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in DIY projects involving motors and generators, as well as those exploring alternative heating solutions in low-voltage applications.

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What output does a 12v motor give. I need to power a heating element that requires 12v, can I do this with a 12v motor? If not what size motor do I need?

Thank you in advance for any help

Sarah
 
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I think you mean generator, not motor. But that aside, if you are using a 12v battery or your car's alternator, then a resistive heating element is a very high load.

A large (group 31) deep discharge battery, could supply 500 watts to a heater for probably only 20 minutes. A 50 amp alternator in a car could also do it. Most heaters are 750 to 1500 watts, and most are not designed for 12v operation.

Do you have more details on the heater?
 
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anorlunda said:
I think you mean generator, not motor. But that aside, if you are using a 12v battery or your car's alternator, then a resistive heating element is a very high load.

A large (group 31) deep discharge battery, could supply 500 watts to a heater for probably only 20 minutes. A 50 amp alternator in a car could also do it. Most heaters are 750 to 1500 watts, and most are not designed for 12v operation.

Do you have more details on the heater?

The heating element only needs 12v to heat up to 400c. I don't want to give away too much information :-) but I need to power this element by something cost effective and very small. i.e. the motor. Could I not power that using a motor or is that not how it works? sorry to be so vague completely useless at this but have a really good idea that I would like to work on.

Thanks

Sarah
 
How many watts do you need, for how many minutes? I can't tell if you are trying to heat a tiny soldering tip or a whole house in mid winter.
 
SarahByrne said:
The heating element only needs 12v to heat up to 400c. I don't want to give away too much information :-) but I need to power this element by something cost effective and very small. i.e. the motor. Could I not power that using a motor or is that not how it works? sorry to be so vague completely useless at this but have a really good idea that I would like to work on.

Thanks

Sarah

It sounds like your goal is to pursue a patent. If that is the case you are taking a big risk coming to a public forum.

We can only really help you if you share more details.
 
SarahByrne said:
The heating element only needs 12v to heat up to 400c.

you must at least tell us the wattage of the element, else there is nothing anyone can do to help

SarahByrne said:
Could I not power that using a motor or is that not how it works?

you have already been told ... you need a generator, NOT a motor

so what will power the generator ?

again ... if you can't help us, then we can't help you ... its as simple as thatDave
 
Sheesh --- answer the question already. Why tell her she is asking the wrong question.

Let's assume she has a motor, and sometimes want to use it as a generator. So she can warm up while going down hill on her motorized bike ... or whatever

So, where's a good link to answer this?

maybe http://www.scienceshareware.com/bicycle-generator-faq.htm#pm-size

Without power numbers, you are on your own.
 
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