How to use flow rates (GPM) and pressure drop to determine if a valve is usefull

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The discussion revolves around determining the suitability of a specific valve model (Burkert 457361D) for handling a flow rate of 50 GPM, including considerations of pressure drop and flow characteristics. Participants explore the relationship between flow rates, pressure drop, and valve specifications, particularly focusing on the Cv value and flow conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance in evaluating if the valve can handle a flow rate of 50 GPM and determining the pressure drop.
  • Another participant explains that the Cv value indicates the flow through the valve with a 1 psi pressure drop and suggests using a specific equation to calculate flow.
  • It is noted that the equation is generally correct under certain conditions, specifically that the flow must be turbulent rather than laminar.
  • A participant references the ISA standard S75.01.01, stating it provides extensive information on valve sizing and flow conditions.
  • There is a correction regarding the flow type, with one participant emphasizing that turbulent flow is necessary for the equation's validity and discussing choking conditions that can affect flow calculations.
  • Another participant questions the necessity of turbulent flow for the equation's application, seeking clarification on the reference to this requirement.
  • Further elaboration is provided on the implications of choking and the importance of checking flow conditions to avoid significant errors in calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of turbulent flow for the equation's validity, with some asserting it is essential while others question this requirement. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of flow type on the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific standards and equations, but there are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about flow conditions and the applicability of the equations under different scenarios.

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I need to determine if a valve can handle a flow rate of 50 GPM, this valve being: 2/2 Way, Normally closed, w/ 2-pilot control, and coupled solenoid.

I also need to determine pressure drop...

it is a burkhert model - 457361D

the valve specs indicate:

Cv = 35.1

pressure measurement = 0 -145 psi


if anyone can help, or push me in the right direction, thanks...
 
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The Cv is your main source of information. The Cv is, by definition, the amount of flow through the valve with a delta P across it of 1 psi. Most valve suppliers will give you a curve of Cv vs. % open. You can use the following equation to calculate the flow through given the following equation:

[tex]Cv = Q \sqrt{\frac{SG}{\Delta P}}[/tex]
 
The equation given is generally correct as long as there is no choking, and the flow is laminar.

The ISA standard S75.01.01 gives extensive information on the subject. Also, the valve manufacturer should provide sizing information that will take that into account.

www.ostand.com
 
ooops I meant to say the flow must be TURBULENT.
 
proinwv said:
The equation given is generally correct as long as there is no choking, and the flow is laminar.

The ISA standard S75.01.01 gives extensive information on the subject. Also, the valve manufacturer should provide sizing information that will take that into account.

www.ostand.com

proinwv said:
ooops I meant to say the flow must be TURBULENT.

I've never heard of a restriction on the flow being turbulent for that equation to be valid. Where did you reference that from?

CS
 
It is part of the ISA S75.01.01 This is "the" standard of the valve industry.

Most references ignore this at their peril. Choking occurs when the pressure in the vena contracta within the valve drops to the vapor pressure of the liquid and vaporization occurs, preventing further flow increases, unless the inlet pressure is increased.

Turbulent flow rather than laminar or transitional will pass the amount indicated by the equation that was quoted earlier. Otherwise the equation must be modified by a valve reynolds number factor which is =<1. Turbulent flow occurs when the valve reynolds number is 10,000. This is calculated by the equations in the ISA standard.

If these factors are not checked for signifcant errors can occur in the calculation of flow or delta p.
 
This might be of some use in understanding what I was trying to say, as it relates to turbulent flow.
 

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thanks for your help guys... I found what I needed a while ago, but your responses were appreciated
 

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