How will people know you're dead?

[BobG]

Hmmm, an interesting new problem created by bill pay.

Used to be, if you failed to pay your rent, your landlord would come to your house/apartment to complain and she'd probably notice you were dead.

But now, my bills are electronic and go out automatically and I have direct deposit. Work would eventually notice I hadn't been into work for quite a while and stop paying me, but I have some income that would continue to come in via direct deposit even if I quit working. That additional income is less than my monthly expenses, even accounting for the fact that my grocery bill would suddenly be much lower, but it would definitely slow the draining of my bank account, so it would be quite a while before my rent stopped being paid.

I think people that live alone need a way to ensure they're found before their dogs get hungry.

Something like:

Wear a redundant number of heath monitors that periodically notify a server via a wireless connection that you are alive.
When a health signal fails to be received by the server, the deadman's switch will be activated:

Temporarily Hosts an "I'm Dead or Missing" webpage (D.o.M.)
E-mail notifications are sent to relevant individuals.
Instead of an "xxxx is out of the office" reply, your e-mail will send out a "xxxx is dead" reply
Script that writes a post on various forums, linking to D.o.M. Page

And, finally, a wipe command will be sent to your computer 24 hours after the cease of health signals

And, it has to be reliable. If it's wiping my hard drive once a week, I'm going to get very irate.

(I totally stole this idea from another forum, by the way, but it actually would be a good idea.)

 

[Evo]

LOL. I read recently about a guy that had never been hired by a compnay, but got on their payroll system in error, he cashed paychecks equal to a quarter million dollars annually for years before someone noticed he never actually worked there (this was because he filed for extra benefits).

Anyway, I think a death monitor that would send signals that you were dead would be a good idea. As long as you had no loved ones. Of course, there have been a number of recent articles of loved ones hiding the mumified deceased in order to continue collecting disabilty payments.

Ain't life great?

 

[BobG]

As long as you had no loved ones.

I have loved ones. I talk to them on Facebook or e-mail them.

 

[Evo]

I have loved ones. I talk to them on Facebook or e-mail them.

Oh no.

 

[turbo]

When I can't sign my SS disability checks, they will know that I'm dead. My nieces, nephews, and grand-kids will know when I stop sending gifts. I'd like to think that I have a larger impact when I am dead though that is doubtful.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Not sure if I'm dead or missing, but it seems that I will be out of the office indefinitely.

Please leave a message anyway. You probably won't notice the difference.

 

[rootX]

Why would someone care if you are dead when you are lonely? I don't know if I want to die lonely; days before the death are more of concern than after.

 

[Evo]

I have 2 people that say they will miss me if I die.

 

[Jimmy Snyder]

I figure if I'm wearing a tux and riding around in a Cadillac while all my friends come to see me and I can lie down and relax while everyone else does all the work, then I'm probably dead.

 

[medgar]

I figure if I'm wearing a tux and riding around in a Cadillac while all my friends come to see me and I can lie down and relax while everyone else does all the work, then I'm probably dead.

my wife likely won't notice. when she does she'll run the "mummified" scam til my work does. then she'll cash the jackpot life insurance and be living on the Riviera. I won't mind, I'll be trippin.

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

I have 2 people that say they will miss me if I die.

I'd say you have at least 100k times that ;)

 

[rootX]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11039196

 

[edward]

Most larger companies now have life insurance (dead peasant) policies on their current and former employees. They use a government provided service to know when it is time to collect on former employees.

http://www.ntis.gov/products/ssa-quarterly.aspx

I doubt if they go out and check on your welfare when the quarterly disc reports you as being deceased.

I seem to remember about a woman who was declared dead by SS. She had a hell of a time getting her checks started again.

Personally my children are faithful about stopping by to check on my wallet.

 

[BobG]

Personally my children are faithful about stopping by to check on my wallet.

Being needed is usually a good thing.

I babysit my grandson once a week, so I actually wouldn't go more than a week without being missed. Plus, my work would probably miss me if they remembered which location I was working at (I tend to split my time between two different locations, so they might not notice as soon as one would think).

Still, it's just one of the things that you wonder about when the last kid is out of the house and you're finally living alone for the first time in decades.

 

[Evo]

We hadn't heard from a co-corker for a couple of days (we worked our of our homes, so not too unusual except that he wasn't answering calls or e-mails). Then when he didn't show up for our group meeting Tuesday our Boss was so angry, we all said if he wasn't dead, he was going to wish he was.

Well, he was, in fact dead. He had fallen down the stairs in his home and broken his neck. They found him Saturday.

 

[BobG]

As automated as you can make everything nowadays, I wonder how long a retired person could go undiscovered, though.

Their retirement & social security pay would continue to be put into their account via direct deposit. They can receive their bills electronically, reducing the amount of mail they get. Their bills/rent/mortgage would continue to be paid by bill pay or automatic debit. Once in a while, Jehovah Witnesses would knock on your door, so it would like you were still getting visitors.

Theoretically, a person could go for years as an electronic zombie.

 

[Astronuc]

I have 2 people that say they will miss me if I die.

I agree with Greg. There are a lot more than two who will miss you.

The title made me think of the ongoing scandal in Japan.

Grisly find in search for Japanese centenarians
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100820/wl_asia_afp/japanelderlymissingfraud

 

[Borg]

We hadn't heard from a co-corker for a couple of days (we worked our of our homes, so not too unusual except that he wasn't answering calls or e-mails). Then when he didn't show up for our group meeting Tuesday our Boss was so angry, we all said if he wasn't dead, he was going to wish he was.

Well, he was, in fact dead. He had fallen down the stairs in his home and broken his neck. They found him Saturday.

Classic. Open mouth, insert foot.

 

[Andy]

I would have thought the smell would give it away.

 

[turbo]

When nobody tills and plants my garden, I am dead. When nobody splits and stacks firewood, I am dead. When nobody prunes the fruit trees, I am dead. I think the neighbors will know the signs, though my wife would let the nicer neighbors know, anyway. I used to think that when I no longer owned a Harley cruiser, I'd be dead, so maybe I'm part dead already.

I sold off the last Harley because one of my riding buddies built a huge house and is trying to finish it off himself, another bought a rough fixer-upper and is always too busy, and the other got liver cancer and is really dead. No point in riding alone - it's not all that fun.

 

[Moonbear]

Ha ha! My mom asks me the same question when she calls me once every 6 months or so to remind me I haven't cashed a check she sent as a Christmas or birthday present (she's the only one who doesn't do direct deposit ).

About the only one who would be immediately impacted if I dropped dead would be my cat. She'd probably notice the missing meals pretty quickly. Work would notice I was missing if it was during the regular semester when I was scheduled to lecture, but doesn't notice if I'm there or not if I'm not lecturing or scheduled to attend meetings (I often work from home those days).

My boyfriend would notice and worry too, but he'd probably leave two days of messages first, asking if I was okay and wanting to know what I was doing that I wasn't answering the phone.

In the summer, the neighbors would probably notice the lawn wasn't being mowed after a few weeks. In the winter, the postal carrier flags mailboxes if the mail isn't collected and the driveway not shoveled of snow for a few days after snow storms (as I learned when I decided to escape the state between snow storms last winter and didn't expect to be gone long enough to worry about having someone else collect the mail)...I don't know how long they leave the blinky light on the mailbox before they send someone to check the house for dead people, but I was highly irritated by it since it was a big beacon for burglars too.

Am I worried about it? No. If I'm already dead, I don't care when they find me. I'm more concerned about someone finding me if I'm somehow incapacitated but not dead yet.

 

[turbo]

My father helps a neighbor who has a wife with MS. I'd know very quickly if he was dead because they are in frequent contact. If my wife died, and I was left alone, the first sign that I had died too would be that Duke is not getting his frequent walks up and down the road.

Actually, my niece is the rural mail-carrier in this area, so she'd probably break into check on me if the mail didn't get collected for a couple of days and my vehicles were here.

 

[FrancisZ]

My boss would probably call up my house to complain that I'm dead. Every job I get seems to have that impossible to please person in charge.

 

[GeorginaS]

I like the OP's automated system idea. I live alone, but a couple of people would notice that I wasn't around fairly quickly. And I've made sure that a couple of people have keys to my place in case of emergency. I've deliberately set up stuff in case something goes awry and so that my cat doesn't have to eat my eyes so she doesn't starve.

I do, however, know more than one person who, if the dropped dead in their home tomorrow, no one would realize anything was amiss for a quite a while.

 

[Cyrus]

I think a lot of people would be happy :D

 

[DanP]

And, it has to be reliable. If it's wiping my hard drive once a week, I'm going to get very irate.

(I totally stole this idea from another forum, by the way, but it actually would be a good idea.)

When you'll stop posting on this forum , we will know you are dead. We will mourn you for a day, then we will get over it and continue the fun. And you know what ? You are too preoccupied with death.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Yes, I want a program that sends out death notices everytime Windows hiccups.

 

[Topher925]

I think my adviser would notice if I was dead. As soon as she found that all of her extraneous tasks weren't being performed she'd coming looking for me. Actually, come to think of it she would probably send one of her other grad students to come looking for me.

 

[BobG]

I would have thought the smell would give it away.

1) I shower every day and use deodorant.

2) FYI, people don't smell all that good after they die, either.

 

[Math Is Hard]

Maybe you should just get married, Bob.

 

[drizzle]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11039196

"Because I didn't have money for a funeral, I didn't report her death," the Sankei Shimbun newspaper quoted him as saying.

The AFP news agency reported that he told police: "I laid out her body for a while, washed it in the bath, then broke up the bones and put them into a backpack."

I don't know what to say... Shouldn't the government afford a funeral for those who can't?! Or at least bury/whatever those dead bodies?

 

[BobG]

The AFP news agency reported that he told police: "I laid out her body for a while, washed it in the bath, then broke up the bones and put them into a backpack."

How much does your life weigh? Imagine for a second that you're carrying a backpack. I want you to pack it with all the stuff that you have in your life... you start with the little things. The shelves, the drawers, the knickknacks, then you start adding larger stuff. Clothes, tabletop appliances, lamps, your TV... the backpack should be getting pretty heavy now. You go bigger. Your couch, your car, your home... I want you to stuff it all into that backpack. Now I want you to fill it with people. Start with casual acquaintances, friends of friends, folks around the office... and then you move into the people you trust with your most intimate secrets. Your brothers, your sisters, your children, your parents and finally your husband, your wife, your boyfriend, your girlfriend. You get them into that backpack, feel the weight of that bag. Make no mistake your relationships are the heaviest components in your life.

I guess he took that motivational speech literally.

 

[BobG]

I think my adviser would notice if I was dead. As soon as she found that all of her extraneous tasks weren't being performed she'd coming looking for me. Actually, come to think of it she would probably send one of her other grad students to come looking for me.

This is actually quite a coincidence. I'm reading a book about a couple of guys that only have a week to find a dozen eggs during the siege of Leningrad. Not only are they on a quest nearly as difficult as your professor's grad student, a frozen dead body used as a sign post causes them some confusion since he's standing in the snow.

 

[mugaliens]

I think people that live alone need a way to ensure they're found before their dogs get hungry.

Generally speaking, the smell would be substantial...

Something like:Instead of an "xxxx is out of the office" reply, your e-mail will send out a "xxxx is dead" reply...[/quote]

That would be very upsetting to my relatives and friends!

And, finally, a wipe command will be sent to your computer 24 hours after the cease of health signals...

I wouldn't mind wiping a certain portion of my hard drive containing financial information, but realistically, my finances are fairly simple. Besides, if my folks don't hear from me for two days, they're calling. In three days they're knocking on the door. I do the same with them. Should they find me demised, they'd simply obtain a death certificate and send it to the financial institutions with which I do business. They have a list in a secure location. Should they predecease me, I'd do the same with my aunt and uncle. After that, it falls to my cousins.

If I didn't have relatives in town, I would partner with a trusted friend.

As for wiping my hard drives, there are a lot of digital images of friends and family over the last decade, and I think they'd want them. I certainly know my son would. After those are copied, then he'd run a program which wipes the drive.

 

[turbo]

I have a ton of research material on my HDs, BUT almost in its entirety, it is duplicated on PCs in another state and in a Scandinavian country. As for the rest, it would be nice if my wife got help extracting the images of our friends, family, etc. The rest could be wiped. What would I care? I do not entrust my finances to on-line/electronic routes. My IRAS, money-market account, etc can only be accessed by mail. I don't pay any bills electronically, since that would entail giving power company, phone company, etc electronic access to my liquid accounts. That ain't going to happen!

My brother and a very close friend have the combinations to my safes. It would have to be a pretty horrible coincidence to take all 3 of us out at one time, since we associate separately. We have never been in the same vehicle at the same time, or even in the same building at the same time, IIR.

 

[BobG]

As for wiping my hard drives, there are a lot of digital images of friends and family over the last decade, and I think they'd want them. I certainly know my son would. After those are copied, then he'd run a program which wipes the drive.

Ooh, very good point. I'm running way behind in archiving those to CD. The program would have to know which directories should be copied and which directories (and e-mails) should be deleted.

And maybe the e-mail notifications aren't that important. In fact, I'm beginning to rethink the whole idea. Maybe this is a better attitude:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEPMlSpMQQU

I still need to someone to dispose of that inflatable sheep in my closet if I die.

 

[turbo]

I still need to someone to dispose of that inflatable sheep in my closet if I die.

And someone to dispose of the high-top boots.

Though if the sheep is inflatable, the boots may not have been necessary, absent a need for historical accuracy.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

I leave my Obama calendar to Russ.
My Bibles, Book of Mormon, Bhagavad Gita, and other religious texts, go to Zapper and Berke.
Astronuc can have all of my philosophy books.
To Greg I leave my Sci-Forums membership
I leave my Hawaiin miles to MIH
To Evo, I leave my cats.

 

[Evo]

To Evo, I leave my cats.

Awwww! <sniff> They are welcome here.

Who gets Tsu? Can I have Tsu? Huh? Can I, Can I?

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Awwww! <sniff> They are welcome here.

Mwahahahaha, you have no idea what you're getting into. My cats are all evil.

Who gets Tsu? Can I have Tsu? Huh? Can I, Can I?

You, Mih, and Tsu, should just go live in Hawaii. MIH will have the Hawaiin miles to get you there.

But don't expect a wild time. When Tsu went with my aunt, they picked up two gay guys. Somehow I don't think Tsu has this extramarital stuff figured out.

 

[Math Is Hard]

You, Mih, and Tsu, should just go live in Hawaii. MIH will have the Hawaiin miles to get you there.

That's very generous of you, Ivan. We can scatter your ashes over a volcano if you like.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

I want to be incorporated into a surf board.

Btw, Tsu says it a no-go on the Mormon thing.

 

[Evo]

Mwahahahaha, you have no idea what you're getting into. My cats are all evil.

There is no cat too evil.

You, Mih, and Tsu, should just go live in Hawaii. MIH will have the Hawaiin miles to get you there.

Thank you Ivan!

But don't expect a wild time. When Tsu went with my aunt, they picked up two gay guys. Somehow I don't think Tsu has this extramarital stuff figured out.

Gay guys - all of the fun, none of the headaches.

I want to be incorporated into a surf board.

Be sure you give us specifics, once we start drinking, you might end up as a knick knack.

Btw, Tsu says it a no-go on the Mormon thing.

Hell no! One man and multiple women? Pfffttt!

 

[rootX]

I leave my Obama calendar to Russ.

 

[drizzle]

I leave my Obama calendar to Russ...

OMG, that's the best one!

 

[lisab]

Gay guys - all of the fun, none of the headaches.

*snork*

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Be sure you give us specifics, once we start drinking, you might end up as a knick knack.

Okay, Tsu and I were talking about this, and I decided that I want to be preserved and hardened in a bodysurfing posture, and used an an Ivanboard. I should handle well due to the huge skeg [fin].

Hell no! One man and multiple women? Pfffttt!

Oh come now, that's the one thing that the old-school mormons got right!

 

[cristo]

I don't pay any bills electronically, since that would entail giving power company, phone company, etc electronic access to my liquid accounts. That ain't going to happen!

That's pretty paranoid. By paying bills electronically you are not giving anyone access to your account in the same way that by paying a cheque over a counter you are not giving them access to your account. I pay everything electronically now, since it's just way more simple, and you usually get discounts for doing so.

 

[dlgoff]

Okay, Tsu and I were talking about this, and I decided that I want to be preserved and hardened in a bodysurfing posture, and used an an Ivanboard. I should handle well due to the huge skeg [fin].

Oh come now, that's the one thing that the old-school mormons got right!

Now I know how people are loosing keyboards around here. :drying keys:

 

[brainstorm]

If somehow your corpse mummifies and doesn't attract any attention, what would it matter that you had died? If no one needed your apartment, it could just serve as your tomb. If your automatic deposit income covered all your automatic bill payments, you could become pure fiscal stimulus spending without any purpose but to boost revenues, create jobs, and increase GDP.