Huygen Wavefront: Drawing a Tangent to Wavelets

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The discussion revolves around the application of Huygens' principle in drawing new wavefronts from wavelets, particularly in the context of reflection. Participants explore whether tangents can be drawn to wavelets that do not touch and how this affects the formation of new wavefronts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether tangents can be drawn to wavelets that do not touch, and if such tangents can still define new wavefronts.
  • One participant suggests that only the tangents to all wavelets determine where constructive interference occurs, referencing the Fermat Principle.
  • Another participant emphasizes that a tangent must be in phase with all wavelets to contribute to a new wavefront, suggesting a unique direction for this to happen.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of drawing tangents to only two wavelets, with a participant noting that this could lead to a circular resultant wavefront with amplitude variation.
  • There is a mention of the laws of reflection and their role in predicting the direction of wave formation, as well as the neglect of diffraction effects in certain scenarios.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of drawing tangents to non-touching wavelets and the implications for wavefront formation. There is no consensus on whether such tangents can yield valid new wavefronts.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations regarding the assumptions made about wavelet interactions, the dependence on the configuration of wavelets, and the effects of diffraction and reflection laws.

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One rule of huygen theory isfollowing
The new wavefront is https://www.boundless.com/definition/tangent/ to the wavelets.
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If we look at reflection,to draw new wavefront we should draw tangent to the wavelets.should the two blue wavelets touch each other?Cannot we draw tangent to these blue wavelets even when they are not touching each other to get the new wavefronts?
 
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gracy said:
Cannot we draw tangent to these blue wavelets even when they are not touching each other to get the new wavefronts?
I am saying that
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Is it right?The two wavelets are not touching each other at any point,so will the tangent give the new wavefront?
 
It's only the tangents for both /all wavelets that tell you where you get additive interference. If you take arbitrary tangents, the wavelets will not interfere constructively to form a wavefront. (Is that what was worrying you?)
It is only another statement of the Fermat Principle.
 
sophiecentaur said:
It's only the tangents for both /all wavelets that tell you where you get additive interference
Is my tangent(the tangent I have drawn in my picture)going to give me new wavefront?
 
gracy said:
Is my tangent(the tangent I have drawn in my picture)going to give me new wavefront?
How can it, if it does not end up in phase with all the others, from the other wavelets?
There is only one direction in which this happens.
 
sophiecentaur said:
How can it, if it does not end up in phase with all the others, from the other wavelets?
But in my animation ,tangent to only two wavelets is giving new wavefront.
 
gracy said:
But in my animation ,tangent to only two wavelets is giving new wavefront.
You have not shown two tangents, parallel to each other, in your diagram. If they are not parallel, then they will be sweeping in and out of phase as they travel outwards and there will be no wave formed. The only direction which a wave will form and be sustained is in the direction that the laws of reflection predict.
I had a similar problem to you, when I fought this thing initially (way back in history).

There is another point. If you show only two wavelets then you will not get cancellation in other directions - you will have a circular resultant wavefront with amplitude variation with angle (Young Slits idea). The reflection laws only give the maximum amplitude direction and ignore diffraction effects. i.e. it assumes a very wide reflector and ignores the effect of the restricted aperture.
 
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