Hydrost Pressure Integration Problem (Environmental Physics)

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The discussion revolves around a problem in environmental physics concerning the calculation of the vertical pressure profile in the atmosphere using the hydrostatic equation and the ideal gas law. Participants explore the implications of the dry adiabatic lapse rate on pressure changes with altitude, specifically addressing the numerical computation of pressure values at 0.5 km and 1 km.

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  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a mathematical approach to derive the pressure profile, starting from the temperature profile and applying the hydrostatic equation.
  • Another participant suggests checking the bounds and results of the integral used in the calculations.
  • A later reply indicates a correction in the formulation of the pressure equation, leading to a revised expression for pressure that aligns with expected physical behavior.
  • There is a concern raised about the initial interpretation that pressure increases with height, which contradicts the hydrostatic pressure theorem.

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Participants express differing views on the correctness of the initial mathematical formulation and its implications. While one participant believes they have resolved their confusion, the discussion does not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the hydrostatic pressure behavior.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the integration process and the behavior of pressure with altitude, which may affect the conclusions drawn.

MrGianmarcoD
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Hey guys!

I'm working on a problem for which i somehow just can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.

This is the problem:
During daytime the vertical temperature profile of the atmosphere is observed to obey the dry adiabatic lapse rate (-9.8K/km). At the surface the temperature is 20°C, and the air pressure is 1.018·105 Pa. Use the hydrostatic equation and the gas law to compute (numerically) the vertical profile of the pressure. What are the pressure values at 0.5 and 1 km?

I think I've figured it out, but somehow i think i make an error with the maths.

First of let's determine the equation for the temperature (in Kelvin):
$$T(z) = 293.15-0.0098z$$
For the hydrostatic pressure we can use $$\frac{dp}{dz}=-\rho g$$ with the ideal gas law given as $$\rho = \frac{p}{R_d T(z)}$$.
Combining it all and putting all the constants into C:
$$\frac{dp}{dz}=-\frac{p g}{R_d \times (293.15-0.0098z)}=C\frac{p}{293.15-0.0098z}$$
$$\int_{p_0}^p \frac{1}{\tilde{p}}d\tilde{p}=C\int\frac{1}{293.15-0.0098z}dz$$
$$\ln{p}-\ln{p_0}=\ln{\frac{p}{p_0}}=C\times\left(-\frac{1}{0.0098}\right) \ln{(293.15-0.0098z)} \\ =\ln{\left[ (293.15-0.0098z)^\frac{g}{0.0098 R_d} \right] }$$
Taking the exponential of this form will give us finally:
$$p\approx p_0 (293.15-0.0098z)^{3.4874}$$

It's weird that the hydrostatic air pressure is increasing with height right? Since from the hydrostatic pressure theorem it should decrease. Can anyone point out to me what I'm doing wrong exactly.
 
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Check the bounds and the result for ##\int dz##.
 
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Thanks! If I'm correct, i'll get:
$$
\ln{p}-\ln{p_0}=\ln{\frac{p}{p_0}}=C\times\left(-\frac{1}{0.0098}\right) \ln{(293.15-0.0098z)} \\ =\ln{\left[ (293.15-0.0098z)^\frac{g}{0.0098 R_d} \right] }-\ln{\left[ (293.15-0.0098z_0)^\frac{g}{0.0098 R_d} \right] }
$$

with z0=0 this becomes:

$$
\ln{p}-\ln{p_0}=\ln{\frac{p}{p_0}}=C\times\left(-\frac{1}{0.0098}\right) \ln{(293.15-0.0098z)} \\ =\ln{\left[ (293.15-0.0098z)^\frac{g}{0.0098 R_d} \right] }-\ln{\left[ (293.15)^\frac{g}{0.0098 R_d} \right] } \\
=\ln{\left[ \left( \frac{293.15-0.0098z}{293.15}\right)^\frac{g}{0.0098 R_d} \right] }
$$

$$
p\approx p_0 \left(\frac{293.15-0.0098z}{293.15}\right)^{3.4874}
$$

And that solves all. Great! One of those small mistakes which you just don't notice when you're working too long on the same thing haha. Thanks so much!
 
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Equation (40) here !
 

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