I am sure I am doing this Acid/Base problem wrong

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a problem involving the calculation of pH in a solution created by mixing sulfuric acid (H2SO4) and aluminum hydroxide (Al(OH)3). Participants explore the challenges of applying acid-base neutralization concepts, particularly in the context of solubility and limiting reagents.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in integrating the concepts of molarity and pH, mentioning confusion over the use of RICE (Reaction, Initial, Change, Equilibrium) tables.
  • Another participant suggests updating the concentrations of the acid and base in the total solution before writing the neutralization reaction and calculating the remaining amounts of acid or base.
  • Concerns are raised about the treatment of Al(OH)3, with one participant questioning whether it should be considered fully dissociated, given its known insolubility.
  • There is a suggestion that the problem could be approached as a limiting reagent problem, but this is met with skepticism regarding the feasibility of solving it without considering the solubility product of Al(OH)3.
  • Participants note the importance of accounting for the extra water produced during the neutralization reaction when calculating concentrations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on how to approach the problem, with multiple competing views on the treatment of Al(OH)3 and the overall solvability of the question.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence on the solubility product of Al(OH)3 and the assumptions regarding its dissociation, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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What is the pH of a solution made from 34.6 ml if 3.45*10^-4 M of H2SO4 added to 41.7 ml of 4.56*10^-4 M of Al(OH)3?

I know how to find H+ and OH- and pH I also know how to use x mol / L, but I cannot get them to click together. Everyone keeps telling me to use RICE but my professor never explained what this was to us.

I keep trying different ways to start this problem and they all look wrong. This is the only problem that I don't even know how to put together from the start.
 
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First update the concentrations of acid and base in the total solution of 76,3ml
Then write down the chemical neutralization reaction between the acid and the base.
Then calculate how much acid (or it might be base) that will be left. If it is acid that will be left then you can find [H+]* (and [OH-] will follow)
If it is base that will be left then you can find [OH-] and then [H+].

* have in mind that extra water will be produced from the neutralization reaction so you should update the concentration of the acid left (or base left).
 
What if you were told to start it just as a limiting reagent problem?

But I don't like this question. Unless you are expected to ignore the Al(OH)3 insolubility and to treat the solution as if Al(OH)3 was completely dissociated (which is not true) finding the answer is pretty tricky.
 
Borek said:
What if you were told to start it just as a limiting reagent problem?

But I don't like this question. Unless you are expected to ignore the Al(OH)3 insolubility and to treat the solution as if Al(OH)3 was completely dissociated (which is not true) finding the answer is pretty tricky.
Can we say impossible to solve? The solubility product of Al(OH)3 is absolutely essential.
 

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