I don't really understand the concept of organic oxidations.

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The discussion centers on the concept of oxidation in organic chemistry, particularly the confusion surrounding electron transfer during reactions. It highlights that replacing hydrogen with more electronegative elements, such as oxygen, is considered oxidation, even if there is no apparent transfer of electrons. Examples provided include the oxidation of glucose and the conversion of an alcohol to a ketone, illustrating how oxidation states can change through the addition or removal of hydrogen. The participants note that oxidation states are less useful in organic chemistry and can be somewhat formalistic. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the complexity of understanding organic redox reactions.
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So let's say a hydrogen is replaced with an oxygen. Apparently this is an oxidation. But I just don't see any transfer of electrons going on. All the atoms still have the same number of valence electrons. Can someone give me an example of a simple organic oxidation and explain the electron transfer that is changing the oxidation states of the atoms? I can understand inorganic oxidations like Cr 3+ going to Cr 6+, I just can't wrap my mind around organic redox.
 
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If you change the groups around a carbon with more electronegative ones, that is considered oxidation in the organic sense.

Consider the following ranking from lowest oxidation state to largest:

CH4<CH3O<CH2O2<CO2

CH3S<CH3O

CH2O2(geminal diol)<CH2O2(formic acid) The geminal diol has two C-O bonds and the acid has 3.

CH3Cl<CH3F
 
chemisttree said:
CH4<CH3O<CH2O2<CO2

LogicX: try to assign oxidation numbers to central carbon atoms.
 
Borek has led you on the right track. Nevertheless I think your intuition is fine: The concept of oxidation states is much less usefull in organic chemistry and kind of formalistic.
 
For electron transfer in simple organic oxidation , look at the oxidation of glucose:
6O2 + C6H12O6 ----> 6CO2 + 6H2O
 
Yep! Total brain fart!

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CH2(OH)2(geminal diol)<CH2O2(formic acid) The geminal diol has two C-O bonds and the acid has 3.
 
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You better edit this formic acid :-p
 
Geez! One of those days.

Consider the following ranking from lowest oxidation state to largest:

CH4<CH3OH<CH2O2<CO2

CH3SH<CH3OH

CH2(OH)2(geminal diol)<CH2O2(formic acid) The geminal diol has two C-O bonds and the acid has 3.

CH3Cl<CH3F
 
In organic chemistry one definition of oxidation - reduction is the removel or addition
of hydrogen. For example the oxidation of an alcohol to a ketone.

C3H7OH + O ---> C3H6O + H2O
2 propanol ----- > propanone
 
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