Clara Chung
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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the wave equation, specifically focusing on the forces acting on a piece of string and the role of torque in this context. Participants explore the balance of forces, the implications of small angles, and the nature of the string as a non-rigid body.
Participants do not reach a consensus on the role of torque in the context of the string's motion, with multiple competing views on whether torque is relevant or necessary in this scenario.
Some participants express uncertainty regarding the estimation of torque and the implications of the string's non-rigid nature, indicating a lack of clarity on how these factors influence the overall analysis.
I take it that you think of resultant force as a torque, because the two forces appear to act as a couple. By definition A couple is a pair of forces, equal in magnitude, oppositely directed, and displaced by perpendicular distance or moment. In this case the forces are equal(considering the infinitesimal element), are displaced by (almost)perpendicular distance but not oppositely directed. Hence the resultant is a force along some particular direction.Clara Chung said:Shouldn't there be a torque so the piece of string rotates?
I hope that you understand why there's no net force along the x axis.Clara Chung said:there is a net force along the y-axis, i.e. T sin(θ2) - T sin(θ1)
I don't know how to estimate the torque. I just think that there is a torque by intuition.Chestermiller said:The angle is supposed to be very small so that the sine of the angle is equal to dy/dx. The force balance is in the y direction, and includes the translational inertia. The bending rigidity of the string is considered negligible. What do you estimate for the torque on each section of string?
The string is not a rigid body, so it doesn’t have to satisfy a moment balance.Clara Chung said:I don't know how to estimate the torque. I just think that there is a torque by intuition.
Besides, for any short section of string, if you take moments of the tensile forces st its ends about its center of mass, they cancel.Chestermiller said:The string is not a rigid body, so it doesn’t have to satisfy a moment balance.
What do mean by "it"? What do you want "it" to be besides the acceleration of the center of mass of the piece of string along the y-axis? Are you asking about the acceleration vector for the center of mass of the piece of string? - and asking why its only nonzero component is along the y-axis?Clara Chung said:View attachment 218472
Why is it equals to ma, where a is the acceleration of the piece of string along the y-axis?
Clara Chung said:If there is a net force along the y-axis, i.e. T sin(θ2) - T sin(θ1)
Why is it equals to ma, where a is the acceleration of the piece of string along the y-axis?
Shouldn't there be a torque so the piece of string rotates?