I got bored and did something with the dielectric constant

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the dielectric constant \( K \) in the context of linear algebra and vector projections. The original poster attempts to establish a relationship between the electric field \( \vec{E} \) and the electric field \( \vec{E_0} \) through the concept of projection.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the mathematical relationship between \( K \), \( \vec{E} \), and \( \vec{E_0} \), questioning whether \( K \) can be interpreted as a projection. There are discussions about the implications of the projection's magnitude and its relation to the dielectric constant.

Discussion Status

Participants are engaging with the original poster's reasoning and questioning the validity of their assumptions. Some guidance is offered regarding the notation and the interpretation of projections, but there is no explicit consensus on the interpretation of \( K \) as a projection.

Contextual Notes

There are mentions of potential confusion regarding the definitions and relationships between \( \vec{E} \), \( \vec{D} \), and \( \vec{E_0} \), as well as the constraints of the original poster's interpretation of projections in linear algebra.

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Homework Statement


I want to prove or disprove that the dielectric constant ##K## is the projection of ##\vec E_0## onto ##\vec E## using linear algebra.

Homework Equations


##\vec E = \frac{\vec E_0}{K}##

The Attempt at a Solution


##(\vec E)⋅\vec E = (\vec E)⋅\frac{\vec E_0}{K}##
##K(\vec E)⋅\vec E = (\vec E)⋅\vec E_0##
##K \left\| \vec E \right\|^2=\vec E⋅\vec E_0##
##K=\frac{\vec E⋅\vec E_0}{\left\| \vec E \right\|^2}=proj_\vec E \vec E_0##

Since ##\left\|\vec E_0\right\| > \left\|\vec E\right\|##, ##K>1##. I'm trying to interpret ##K## as the projection of ##\vec E_0## onto ##\vec E## because I was kind of bored one day in physics lecture. I think I remember that ##proj_{\vec u} \vec v ≤ |1|## for some vectors ##\vec u## and ##\vec v##, which contradicts what I'm saying. Should I just go with ##K=\frac{C}{C_0}## since it's much simpler? I think I'm reading too much into this...
 
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Eclair_de_XII said:
I think I'm reading too much into this...
I think so too...
Eclair_de_XII said:
##\vec E = \frac{\vec E_0}{K}##
First, what is ##E_{0}## here? I think what you meant to write is ##\mathbf{D}=K\epsilon_{0}\mathbf{E}##. Either way the projection of ##\mathbf{E}## and ##\mathbf{D}## or ##\mathbf{E_{0}}## is just
$$\text{proj}\frac{\mathbf{D}\cdot\mathbf{E}}{|\mathbf{E}|^{2}}=\frac{K\epsilon_{0} E^{2}}{E^{2}}=K\epsilon_{0}$$
 
It looks like you answered your own question, about proving or disproving it.
 
NFuller said:
Either way the projection of ##\mathbf{E}## and ##\mathbf{D}## or ##\mathbf{E_{0}}## is just

##\text{proj}\frac{\mathbf{D}\cdot\mathbf{E}}{|\mathbf{E}|^{2}}=\frac{K\epsilon_{0} E^{2}}{E^{2}}=K\epsilon_{0}##

Forgive me if I'm remembering something wrong but aren't projections usually less than or equal to 1 in magnitude? Should it not be: ##\text{proj}\frac{\mathbf{E}\cdot\mathbf{D}}{|\mathbf{E}| |\mathbf{D}|}##? Of course, though, it's meaningless anyway, and does not represent the dielectric constant.
 
Eclair_de_XII said:
aren't projections usually less than or equal to 1 in magnitude?
No, but my notation is messed up. It should be
$$\text{proj}_{\mathbf{E}}\mathbf{D}=\frac{\mathbf{D}\cdot\mathbf{E}}{|\mathbf{E}|^{2}}\mathbf{E}$$
 

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