I know that 1^(+/- infinity) is indeterminate.Is c^(+/- infinity)

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The discussion centers on the indeterminacy of expressions involving exponentiation, specifically questioning whether \( c^{(+/- \infty)} \) is indeterminate for real numbers \( c \). Participants explore the behavior of limits as the exponent approaches positive or negative infinity, comparing it to the known case of \( 1^{(+/- \infty)} \).

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  • Some participants assert that \( 1^{(+/- \infty)} \) is indeterminate, citing limits that approach 1.
  • Others argue that for \( c > 1 \), \( c^{(+\infty)} \) approaches infinity and \( c^{(-\infty)} \) approaches 0, while for \( 0 < c < 1 \), the opposite holds.
  • It is noted that limits do not exist for \( c < -1 \) and that the behavior is different for \( -1 < c < 0 \) and \( c = -1 \).
  • Participants suggest focusing on positive real bases to clarify the behavior of limits.
  • One participant references the limit \( \lim_{x \to 0} (1 + x)^{1/x} \) as an example of an indeterminate form involving \( 1^{\infty} \).

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Participants express differing views on the indeterminacy of \( c^{(+/- \infty)} \) based on the value of \( c \). There is no consensus on whether \( 1^{(+/- \infty)} \) should be classified as indeterminate, as some participants provide counterexamples and alternative interpretations.

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Participants acknowledge that the behavior of limits can depend on the specific values of \( c \) and the conditions under which they are evaluated, but do not resolve these complexities.

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I know that 1^(+/- infinity) is indeterminate.
Is c^(+/- infinity) indeterminate for real numbers c?
 
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Why do you say that [itex]1^\infty[/itex] and [itex]1^{-\infty}[/itex] are indeterminate? We have

[tex]\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} 1^n = 1[/tex]

and

[tex]\lim_{n \rightarrow -\infty} 1^n = 1[/tex]

If [itex]c > 1[/itex], then

[tex]\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} c^n = \infty[/tex]

and

[tex]\lim_{n \rightarrow -\infty} c^n = 0[/tex]

and the opposite result holds for [itex]0 < c < 1[/itex]

One of the limits doesn't exist if [itex]c < -1[/itex], and the other one doesn't exist if [itex]-1 < c < 0[/itex]. Neither limit exists if [itex]c = -1[/itex]. (I'll let you work out the details.)
 


Think about this in terms of limits. Do you have a feel for what the values of these limits are?
[tex]\lim_{n \to \infty} 2^n[/tex]
[tex]\lim_{n \to \infty} 2^{-n} = \lim_{n \to \infty} \frac{1}{2^n}[/tex]

To investigate this further for arbitrary bases, you probably want to limit the base to the positive reals. One case would be for a > 1. Another would be for 0 < a < 1.
 


jbunniii said:
Why do you say that [itex]1^\infty[/itex] and [itex]1^{-\infty}[/itex] are indeterminate? We have

[tex]\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} 1^n = 1[/tex]
One of the indeterminate forms is [itex][1^{\infty}][/itex]. An example of this is [tex]\lim_{x \to 0} (1 + x)^{1/x}[/tex].

Here we have the base approaching 1 and the exponent growing large without bound, yet the limit is not 1.
jbunniii said:
and

[tex]\lim_{n \rightarrow -\infty} 1^n = 1[/tex]

If [itex]c > 1[/itex], then

[tex]\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} c^n = \infty[/tex]

and

[tex]\lim_{n \rightarrow -\infty} c^n = 0[/tex]

and the opposite result holds for [itex]0 < c < 1[/itex]

The limits don't exist if [itex]c \leq -1[/itex], and they do exist if [itex]-1 < c < 0[/itex]. (I'll let you work out the details.)
 


Mark44 said:
Think about this in terms of limits. Do you have a feel for what the values of these limits are?
[tex]\lim_{n \to \infty} 2^n[/tex]
[tex]\lim_{n \to \infty} 2^{-n} = \lim_{n \to \infty} \frac{1}{2^n}[/tex]

To investigate this further for arbitrary bases, you probably want to limit the base to the positive reals. One case would be for a > 1. Another would be for 0 < a < 1.

Heh. Gotcha, thanks.
 

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