I Need the explaination of The image of formation of black hole

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of a diagram depicting the formation of a black hole. Participants seek to understand the significance of various elements in the diagram, including the event horizon, singularity, and the representation of space and time. The scope includes conceptual clarification and technical explanation related to general relativity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the diagram, specifically regarding the event horizon and its representation as the radius of the black hole.
  • Another participant suggests that the singularity may not be visible to distant observers due to light being unable to escape the collapsing star, indicating that the event horizon acts as a boundary.
  • A participant describes the diagram as a standard space-time diagram, explaining that the vertical axis represents time and the horizontal axis represents a radial spatial coordinate, although some angles are omitted for simplicity.
  • There is mention of the visual representation of the singularity as a wavy line, which is noted to be a visual convention rather than a literal depiction.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between the collapse of the star and the formation of the event horizon, noting that light becomes trapped once the object is within its Schwarzschild radius.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the diagram, with no clear consensus on the interpretation of specific elements. Multiple viewpoints are presented without resolution of the underlying questions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight limitations in the diagram, such as the absence of coordinates and the omission of certain angles in the spherical coordinate system, which may affect the clarity of the representation.

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I Need the explanation of "The image of formation of black hole"

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How about you explain it to us first. What can you tell us about this diagram? What do the x and y axes represent? What is the significance of the event horizon?
 
Sir that is my basic problem.I ve got this image and now i am unable to understand it,Event horizin is considered as the radius of the black hole this is the point i got from the wekipedia site and in this image it is quite difficult to understand where is the collapsing star from where it is looking like the symmetric collapse?and the most confusing thing present here is the representation of the singularity as a wave form... the co ordinates also have nt shown here, Can u help me find out its complete discription?
 
It maybe the case that the singularity is not visible to a far-away observer because light is not able to escape the collapsing star. This is essentially what we mean when we say that a black-hole has formed. The singularity is hidden from view by the event horizon, which is the boundary of that spacetime region surrounding the singularity which cannot communicate with the far-away observer.
do anyone help me to discribe it by the above attached picture?
 
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I'll try moving this thread to the General Relativity forum. I think you'll need a specialist to help with your question.
 
Huma waseem said:
Sir that is my basic problem.I ve got this image and now i am unable to understand it,Event horizin is considered as the radius of the black hole this is the point i got from the wekipedia site and in this image it is quite difficult to understand where is the collapsing star from where it is looking like the symmetric collapse?and the most confusing thing present here is the representation of the singularity as a wave form... the co ordinates also have nt shown here, Can u help me find out its complete discription?
The vertical dimension represents time, the horizontal dimension space. If you take a horizontal cross-section of the diagram it shows the position of the surface of the star and of the event horizon at a given time--you can see that the radius of the star steadily shrinks and the radius of the event horizon grows from the point in space and time labeled "O", until the event horizon reaches a fixed radius at the moment the collapsing star is fully inside it. The representation of the singularity as a wavy line is just a visual convention, don't take it literally.
 
Yes, it's a standard space-time diagram, which puts time on the vertical axis. (I'm not quite sure where this convention came from).

The horizontal axis represents the radial spatial coordinate using a spherical coordinate system (r, theta, phi). To fit the diagram on a 2d page, theta and phi are omitted (the problem is symmetrical in theta and phi anyway).

The vertical lines are drawn at the instant the body collapses to form a black hole. They represent light cones at that point. They illustrate that the path of light has a constant spatial coordinate, hence the light is "trapped" by the gravity / geometry of the black hole when a certain point in the collapse process is reached.

Until the object collapses sufficiently, the light is not trapped. The event horizon forms and the light is trapped only when the object is contained within its Schwarzschild radius.
 

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