I need to find the integral of sin(ax)cos(bx),

  • Thread starter Thread starter crystal91
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Integral
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the integral of the function sin(ax)cos(bx) and determining the conditions under which the derived formula is valid. Participants are exploring the implications of different values for a and b in the context of integration.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of a specific formula involving sine functions and question the validity of their results based on the relationship between a and b. There is an exploration of special cases where a equals b or negative b, and participants express uncertainty about how to proceed with their findings.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the conditions that affect the validity of the integral. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider special cases separately, but no consensus has been reached on the next steps or final conclusions.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of the integral and its dependencies on the parameters a and b, with specific attention to cases where these parameters are equal or negative of each other. There is also mention of the importance of including the variable x and the constant of integration in their results.

crystal91
Messages
4
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


how to guess the value of the integral sinax cosbx and for what values of a and b is your formula valid?


Homework Equations



used the formula 1/2[(sin A-B)+sin(A+B)]

The Attempt at a Solution


this is what i got -cos(a+b)/2(a+b)-cos(a-b)/2(a-b).after that to guess the values of a and b i am lost.
Any help would be appreciated
thanx in advance!
 
Physics news on Phys.org


crystal91 said:

Homework Statement


how to guess the value of the integral sinax cosbx and for what values of a and b is your formula valid?


Homework Equations



used the formula 1/2[(sin A-B)+sin(A+B)]

The Attempt at a Solution


this is what i got -cos(a+b)/2(a+b)-cos(a-b)/2(a-b).after that to guess the values of a and b i am lost.
Any help would be appreciated
thanx in advance!

I'm not pretty sure if I understand your problem correctly. But what if a = b, or a = -b? Is your work still valid? :wink:
 


do u mean to say set b as a in the formula sinax cos bx,so it would be sinax cosax??
 


crystal91 said:
do u mean to say set b as a in the formula sinax cos bx,so it would be sinax cosax??

Yup, if a \neq \pm b, then your work is correct.

You should also consider 2 special cases where a = \pm b.
 


then what do i do with this formula -cos(a+b)/2(a+b)-cos(a-b)/2(a-b)?
 


crystal91 said:
then what do i do with this formula -cos(a+b)/2(a+b)-cos(a-b)/2(a-b)?

What do you mean by saying 'what do i do with this formula'? Your work is valid as long as a \neq \pm b. When a is either b, or -b, the denominator of \frac{\cos[(a - b)x]}{a - b} (and respectively, \frac{\cos[(a + b)x]}{a + b}) becomes 0. So it's not valid anymore. You have to consider these 2 cases separately!

By the way, you are forgetting x, and the constant of integration '+ C' in your result.
 


:confused:,so i would do it like this :1/2integral sin(2ax) which would be -1/2cos(2a)*1/2 so then the answer would be -1/4acos(2a)? and forget about this -cos(a+b)/2(a+b)-cos(a-b)/2(a-b)?
 


crystal91 said:
:confused:,so i would do it like this :1/2integral sin(2ax) which would be -1/2cos(2a)*1/2 so then the answer would be -1/4acos(2a)? and forget about this -cos(a+b)/2(a+b)-cos(a-b)/2(a-b)?

I suggest you look up the words: 'as long as', 'separately', and 'special cases' in the dictionary. Did you read my post above thoroughly enough??

Your work is valid IF a \neq \pm b.

When a = \pm b, it's no longer valid. And you should treat these as special cases. You have to divide into 3 cases:
  • Case 1: a \neq \pm b
    Your work here...
  • Case 2: a = b
    ...​
  • Case 3: a = -b
    ...​

-----------------------

And by the way: \int \cos(ax) dx = \frac{1}{a} \sin (ax) + C not \int \cos(ax) dx = \frac{1}{a} \sin a
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
12
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
11K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K