Identifying Manufacturing Impurities & Deliberate Doping in Metal Composition

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The discussion revolves around distinguishing between manufacturing impurities and deliberate doping in metals, specifically magnesium. It questions whether elements present at varying concentrations, such as 500ppm, 150ppm, and lower levels, can be considered intentional additions. The conversation also touches on how the properties of alloys, like steel, bronze, and brass, can be influenced by specific dopants and their interactions within the metal's crystalline structure. Participants seek to understand the threshold at which an element is classified as a dopant rather than a natural impurity, pondering values like 20ppm or 5ppm. Overall, the dialogue emphasizes the complexity of metallurgical science in predicting material properties based on elemental composition.
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Hi. If a metal is very pure but still has other elements in it like this:
-1 or 2 at 500ppm, 1 at 150ppm, 2 or 3 at 20-30ppm, 1 or 2 at 3-5ppm. Which are manufacturing impurities and which are deliberate doping? Are the 500ppm doping?
 
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Fizica7 said:
Hi. If a metal is very pure but still has other elements in it like this:
-1 or 2 at 500ppm, 1 at 150ppm, 2 or 3 at 20-30ppm, 1 or 2 at 3-5ppm. Which are manufacturing impurities and which are deliberate doping? Are the 500ppm doping?
What do you think? Is this for schoolwork?
 
Finished high school many years ago... so long ago that chemistry wasn't even invented :D
No... I'm just trying to establish the purpose of a certain metal and it's impurities.
 
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So I've got this little table from a magnesium sample which contains some other elements : 500ppm, 160ppm, 35ppm , 32ppm.
They appear to be intentional additions to the magnesium, right?
So does one just weigh the right amount of each and melt all together or what?
Is there any way to figure out our approximate the purpose or characteristics of the final product from knowing the impurities?
 
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I understand that various periodic elements have various preferred arrangements like cubic, hexagon, and other geometric shapes with complicated names... And that we can somehow infer what a set of dopants will achieve in a certain base element based on each elements "affinity" to the others and ability to place itself into a certain spot in the final lattice... sort of like the junctions in solar cells? They've very complicated crystalline (aka repeating?) structures where even one single element can break or make the desired property yet for all their complexity somehow someone knows how to predict the outcome... is it by amassed knowledge via trial and error or element/lattice maths?!?
If I knew the dopants going into magnesium, could someone guestimates the final product's properties?
 
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Well you can look at iron and the doping with carbon to get steel.
Add some other elements to the mix for favourable properties.

A more familiar alloy might be bronze.
Mix copper with tin to get bronze.
Add some other doping elements to get favourable properties.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze

or brass,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brass

I understand that, I guess my question is what the minimum scientific or metallurgically accepted value to declare that one is doped and the other is not? 20ppm, 5ppm?
At which point natural impurities are ruled out and deliberate doping is declared?
 
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