Identities of fields in Maxwell's equations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the identities of the electric field (E-field) in Maxwell's equations, particularly in relation to Gauss's law, the Maxwell-Faraday equation, and Ampere's circuit law. Participants explore whether the E-field in Gauss's law can be treated the same as the E-field in time-varying scenarios, and the implications of this for calculations in electrostatics and dynamic electromagnetic fields.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the E-field in Gauss's law should be distinguished from those in the other Maxwell equations, suggesting that they may be treated equally.
  • Another participant agrees that the E-field in Gauss's law is the same as that in the Maxwell-Faraday equation, noting that in electrostatic problems, Gauss's law alone can suffice to solve for E.
  • It is proposed that the entire set of Maxwell's equations ties the E and B fields together, and in complex cases, all equations may be necessary to solve for E and B.
  • A later reply emphasizes that a zero right-hand side in Gauss's law does not imply that the E-field itself must be zero, especially in the presence of a time-varying B-field.
  • Another participant points out that the solution to the equations can vary and is dependent on the context, indicating that there is no straightforward method to determine the solution in all cases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the E-field in Gauss's law and the E-field in other Maxwell equations are related, but there is disagreement on the implications of a zero right-hand side in Gauss's law and how it relates to the E-field in dynamic situations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the treatment of E-fields across different contexts.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the implications of the equations, particularly regarding the conditions under which E-fields can be considered equal or distinct. There are references to specific cases, such as charge-free zones and time-varying magnetic fields, which may affect the interpretation of the equations.

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Hello.

I would like to ask one simple question. Do we need to distinguish E-field (Electric field) in Gauss's law from those in Maxwell-Faraday equation and Ampere's circuit law? I firstly thought that E-field in Gauss's law is only for electrostatics so I need to distinguish it from E-field in time-varying Maxwell equations, If I try to do some calculation with the law. But later, I have a feeling that I may need to treat them equally; E-field in Gauss's law is also E-field in other equations. Even If I apply time-varying E-field to Gauss's law, the law gives me a correct answer; RHS of Gauss's law is zero when E-field is purely from time-varying B-field, like electromagnetic waves, in a charge free zone. The same reasoning can be applied to B-field. So every E-field (or B-field) in Maxwell's equations are the same.

Could you tell me whether or not I'm right?
 
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Yes, the electric field ## E ## in Gauss's law ## \nabla \cdot E=\frac{\rho}{\epsilon_o } ## is the same one that appears in Faraday's ## \nabla \times E =- \frac{\partial{B}}{\partial{t}} ##. In electrostatic problems, you only need the Gauss's law equation to solve for ## E ##, and in some simpler problems with a changing magnetic field ## B ##, you only need Faraday's law to solve for ## E ## and/or the EMF ## \mathcal{E} ##. The whole set of Maxwell's equation ties the ## E ## and ## B ## together, and in the more complex cases, you may need all of the equations to solve for the ## E ## and ## B ##.
 
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Charles Link said:
Yes, the electric field ## E ## in Gauss's law ## \nabla \cdot E=\frac{\rho}{\epsilon_o } ## is the same one that appears in Faraday's ## \nabla \times E =- \frac{\partial{B}}{\partial{t}} ##. In electrostatic problems, you only need the Gauss's law equation to solve for ## E ##, and in some simpler problems with a changing magnetic field ## B ##, you only need Faraday's law to solve for ## E ## and/or the EMF ## \mathcal{E} ##. The whole set of Maxwell's equation ties the ## E ## and ## B ## together, and in the more complex cases, you may need all of the equations to solve for the ## E ## and ## B ##.

Thanks for replying very quick comment!

So, E or B-fields in Maxwell's equations are all the same one, in fact.

Could you help me a little bit more? I actually want to derive that RHS of \nabla \cdot E = \frac{\rho }{{{\varepsilon _0}}} is zero when E-field here is E-field accompanied with time-varying B-field in a charge free zone. Could you give me some help so I can get this obvious result?
 
When the right hand side is zero=in a charge free zone, that does not mean the ## E ## on the left hand side needs to be zero. (In the static case ## E ## will be zero, but not for cases where there is a time varying ## B ## field.) ## \nabla \cdot E=0 ## is basically a homogeneous differential equation, and there can and will be times where such a homogeneous solution results, and this equation along with the other Maxwell's equations will determine what that homogeneous solution is. As is the case with other homogeneous solutions, there are arbitrary constants and in this case even the entire solution can only be determined when the solution from the other Maxwell equations is applied. It will vary from case to case and there is no simple prescription to determine the solution. ## \\ ## Editing... For the case of ## \nabla \times E=0 ## everywhere (Faraday's law with no changing ## B ## field ), when you have ## \nabla \cdot E=0 ## everywhere as well, I believe the only solution is then that ## E=0 ## everywhere. (By standard methods, you would determine that the solution for the potential ## \Phi=constant ##, so that ## E=0 ## everywhere).
 
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@goodphy I edited my previous response. Please read the latest updated version as well.
 
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