If photons have no mass, then how can they travel the speed of light?

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The discussion centers on the nature of photons and their ability to travel at the speed of light despite having no rest mass. Participants clarify that photons possess energy and momentum, which allows them to move through spacetime, as described by the equation E=pc. The conversation emphasizes that Newton's laws are inadequate for massless particles like photons, and the correct formulation for momentum in special relativity is p=mv/√(1-v²/c²). This highlights the distinction between classical and relativistic physics in understanding photon behavior.

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  • Understanding of Einstein's energy-momentum relationship: E² = (m₀c²)² + (pc)²
  • Familiarity with the concept of rest mass versus relativistic mass
  • Basic knowledge of Newtonian physics and its limitations
  • Introduction to special relativity and its implications for massless particles
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  • Study the implications of special relativity on massless particles
  • Explore the concept of momentum in quantum mechanics
  • Learn about the wave-particle duality of photons
  • Investigate the historical context of Newtonian physics versus modern physics
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Students of physics, educators, and anyone interested in the fundamental principles of light and its behavior in the context of modern physics.

  • #31
DaveC426913 said:
This is all theoretical physics.

I think what you're asking is "where do we discuss speculative physics on this message board?"

To which the answer is: ''on some other board".

:biggrin:

PF is devoted to established, mainstream physics.

Well, that sucks. But then again, it means I can both giveth and receiveth all the standard answers about what doesn't really work. I've gotten a lot of standard miles closing one eye, squinting through the other, and relaying what I see.
 
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  • #32
Hi Phrak! :smile:
Phrak said:
I've gotten a lot of standard miles closing one eye, squinting through the other, and relaying what I see.

Technically, you can't squint with one eye shut …

squinting is when the two eyes point in different directions … see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strabismus" :wink:
 
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  • #33
tiny-tim said:
Hi Phrak! :smile:


Technically, you can't squint with one eye shut …

squinting is when the two eyes point in different directions … see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strabismus" :wink:

/ Squints with one eye at Tiny across the pond. /
 
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  • #34
JMS61 said:
Just out of curiosity, how do we know that a photon does not have any rest mass? Yes a rest mass is not necessary to study it's behavior, but does that mean that it does not have any rest mass?

Astronomical observations only pose an upper bound of currently 2 10^{-25} eV (approx. 3.6 10^{-61} kg) on the photon mass, but all known experimental data seem to be in agreement with the assumption that the mass of the photon is exactly zero, as in the standard model.

See the entry ''Is the photon necessarily massless?'' in Chapter B2 of my theoretical physics FAQ at http://arnold-neumaier.at/physfaq/physics-faq.html#photon
 

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