If we know the inductance of an iron-cored coil to be 200mH, and we

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The discussion revolves around determining the new inductance of an iron-cored coil after removing the iron core and replacing it with air. Participants explore the implications of this change on inductance, considering the role of permeability and the information provided in the problem statement.

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  • One participant questions how to determine the new inductance without knowing the permeability of the iron core, suggesting that the permeability is essential for the calculation.
  • Another participant emphasizes that permeability is not a constant and varies according to the specific B-H graph of the core material, indicating that the problem may have enough information to solve it despite the missing permeability value.
  • A different participant suggests that the instructor may have provided typical permeability values during lectures, implying that this information could be useful for solving the problem.
  • One participant notes the distinction between the permeability of free space and the relative permeability of the iron core, stating that inductance will decrease when the core is replaced with air and that this can be calculated using relevant formulas.
  • Concerns are raised about real-world factors affecting inductance measurements, such as nearby materials influencing the results.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of knowing the permeability of the iron core and whether the problem can be solved with the information provided. There is no consensus on how to proceed with the calculation or the implications of the missing data.

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The discussion highlights limitations related to the assumptions about permeability and the potential influence of external factors on inductance measurements. The exact relationship between inductance and permeability in this context remains unresolved.

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If we know the inductance of an iron-cored coil to be 200mH, and we remove the iron core such that the core is now air, how exactly can we determine what the new inductance is with just this information?
I played around with the equation for inductance, however, I could not seem to get it absent of the permeability for the iron core, which is not provided. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
 
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Because you can't get away without the \mu\; of the iron core! Look up the composition and look up the \mu\;.
 


How do you "look" up the permeability? Permeability isn't a constant, in fact it varies according to that cores specific B-H graph. Also, the question only gives the value I=200mH, however, it is able to be solved (considering the question explicitly points out "you most certainly do have enough information to answer this.)
 


This sounds like homework to me. Are you sure the instructor did not provide a typical number for the permeability of an iron core during lecture? If not, google it and use that.

The question asks for 'how' so as long as you show your technique you should be fine... :)
 


look carefully into "permeability"

and what is inductance...

there's u and u-sub0

one is permeability of free space

other is ratio of permeability of your core material (iron?) to that of free space
(iron's is higher)

you have replaced an iron core with air

so inductance decreased

and it's readily calculable by the formulas

but beware - in real world nearby iron will affect your result.
for example do not attempt to measure inductance of a long solenoid that's lying on a concrete floor, for the rebar in floor affects your readings..
 

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