If x^n=y^n and n is odd, then x=y.

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical assertion that if \( x^n = y^n \) and \( n \) is odd, then it follows that \( x = y \). Participants are exploring the implications of this statement and the reasoning behind it, referencing previous exercises and the concept of trichotomy in mathematics.

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  • Participants discuss the implications of the relationship between \( x \) and \( y \) when raised to an odd power, questioning whether the reasoning provided by Spivak is sufficient. There is exploration of the trichotomy principle and its application in proving the assertion.

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The discussion is active, with participants analyzing the reasoning behind the proof and engaging with the concepts presented. Some express uncertainty about their understanding, while others clarify the logic involved in the argument.

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This is all seems fairly obvious to me and proving it is a bit awkward. In the previous exercise we proved that if x<y and n is odd, then x^n<y^n.

Spivak argues that, from the previous exercise, x<y would imply that x^n<y^n and y<x would imply that y^n<x^n. That's his whole proof. Is he simply saying that, by analogy, this relationship must hold?

I mean qualitatively it makes sense, because anything raised to an odd exponent retains it's original sign. Thus for x^n=y^n to hold, either x=y or -x=-y (which is obviously the same as x=y).
 
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if x is not equal to y then either x<y or y<x which both imply that x^n is not equal to y^n
 
No. What he is doing is using "trichotomy", that, for any numbers x, y, one and only one must hold:
x= y
x< y
y< x. If x is not equal to y then either x< y or y< x. If x< y then x^2&lt; y^2, contradicting "x^2= y^2 so that is not the case. If y< x then y^2&lt; x^2, contradicting "x^2= y^2. I presume that Spivak feels the "y< x" case is so similar to the "x< y" case that the reader could see that for himself.
 
HallsofIvy said:
No. What he is doing is using "trichotomy", that, for any numbers x, y, one and only one must hold:
x= y
x< y
y< x. If x is not equal to y then either x< y or y< x. If x< y then x^2&lt; y^2, contradicting "x^2= y^2 so that is not the case. If y< x then y^2&lt; x^2, contradicting "x^2= y^2. I presume that Spivak feels the "y< x" case is so similar to the "x< y" case that the reader could see that for himself.

That makes perfect sense. I guess I'm not quite up to the level of the average reader then. My apologies.

Thanks guys.
 

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