I'm having major difficulties with partial differentiation using the chain rule

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The discussion revolves around the application of partial differentiation using the chain rule, specifically focusing on the transition from first-order partial derivatives to second-order derivatives in a multivariable context. The original poster expresses difficulty in understanding how to derive u_(ss) from u_s, despite having some foundational knowledge of the variables and functions involved.

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  • Participants discuss the importance of understanding how to obtain u_s as a precursor to finding u_(ss). There are inquiries about the application of the product rule and the chain rule in this context. Some participants share their attempts at outlining the steps involved in the differentiation process.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the differentiation process, with some participants providing insights into the necessary steps and rules to apply. The conversation reflects a mix of understanding and confusion, particularly regarding the transition from first to second-order derivatives.

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Participants note the complexity of the problem, including the relationships between the functions and their derivatives, as well as the potential application of the product rule and chain rule. There is an acknowledgment of the original poster's attachment of their work and the provided solution, which may not be fully understood.

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This is another problem than I've been stuck on for a long time and I tried reading and watching videos but I only find first order partial differentiation with more than two variables or higher order partial differentiation with only two variables. (I'm not calling f a variable but I am calling x and y variables even though they are functions of other variables.)

I am stuck very close to the beginning and am attaching my work as stuck.jpg and have the solution to the problem (which is uploaded as solution.jpg) but I do not understand how to get to u_(ss). Could someone show me how to apply the tree diagram to that?

Any input would be GREATLY appreciated!
Thanks in advance!
 

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Do you understand how to obtain u_s? I think that's the more crucial part. Once you know how to get to u_s you should be able to get to u_ss. Just keep in mind that f=f(x,y) as well as f_x=f_x(x,y) and f_y=f_y(x,y). And keep in mind the product rule as well.
 
I do get how to get u_s and I know I should be able to know how to get u_(ss) from that but for some reason I don't :(.

I also know that f = f(x,y) as well as f_x = f_x(x,y) and f_y = f_y(x,y) and I vaguely suspected that the product rule was being applied for the u_(ss) step but can you outline the steps from u_s to u_(ss) please?
 
s3a said:
I do get how to get u_s and I know I should be able to know how to get u_(ss) from that but for some reason I don't :(.

I also know that f = f(x,y) as well as f_x = f_x(x,y) and f_y = f_y(x,y) and I vaguely suspected that the product rule was being applied for the u_(ss) step but can you outline the steps from u_s to u_(ss) please?
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You have
[itex]\displaystyle \frac{\partial u}{\partial s}=<br /> \frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\frac{\partial x}{\partial s}+\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}\frac{\partial y}{\partial s}[/itex]

[itex]\displaystyle u_s= f_x\,\frac{\partial x}{\partial s}+f_y\,\frac{\partial y}{\partial s}=<br /> f_x\,e^s\cos(t)+f_y\,e^s\sin(t)[/itex]​
So, for uss take the partial of us w.r.t. s, especially observing the chain rule & product rule.

First the product rule:
[itex]\displaystyle \frac{\partial u_s}{\partial s} = \frac{\partial f_x}{\partial s} \frac{\partial x}{\partial s}+f_x\,\frac{\partial^2 x}{\partial s^2}+<br /> \frac{\partial f_y}{\partial s} \frac{\partial y}{\partial s}+f_y\,\frac{\partial^2 y}{\partial s^2}[/itex]​

Now plug-in the chain rule for [itex]\displaystyle \frac{\partial f_x}{\partial s}\text{ and }\frac{\partial f_y}{\partial s}\,.[/itex]

[itex]\displaystyle \frac{\partial u_s}{\partial s} =\left(\frac{\partial f_x}{\partial x}\frac{\partial x}{\partial s}+\frac{\partial f_x}{\partial y}\frac{\partial y}{\partial s}\right) \frac{\partial x}{\partial s}+f_x\,\frac{\partial^2 x}{\partial s^2}+<br /> \left(\frac{\partial f_y}{\partial x}\frac{\partial x}{\partial s}+\frac{\partial f_y}{\partial y}\frac{\partial y}{\partial s}\right) \frac{\partial y}{\partial s}+f_y\,\frac{\partial^2 y}{\partial s^2}[/itex]
The rest is algebra.
 

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