Image formation in concave mirrors

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the formation of images in concave mirrors, particularly addressing the nature of real and virtual images. Participants explore the conditions under which these images can be observed and captured, as well as the differences between flat and curved mirrors.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how a real image can be seen in a concave mirror, given the common understanding that mirrors typically produce virtual images.
  • Another participant suggests that it is possible to capture the inverted image on paper by using a bright object and positioning it correctly relative to the mirror.
  • It is noted that while flat mirrors do not create real images, curved mirrors like concave mirrors can.
  • A participant expresses confusion about seeing an inverted image that appears to be behind the mirror, questioning the typical behavior of image formation.
  • Further clarification is provided that the image appears behind the mirror due to the straight-line travel of light rays, and it is possible to align objects to demonstrate the image's position.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the images formed by concave mirrors, with some agreeing on the possibility of capturing real images while others remain uncertain about the implications of their observations.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the conditions necessary for capturing images and the visual perception of images in relation to the mirror's surface, indicating potential limitations in understanding image formation.

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When you look in spoon from a reasonable distance you see an inverted image of yourself in the mirror. How can you see a real image in the mirror when I thought you saw virtual images in a mirror and real images had to be caught on a screen.
 
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The inverted image "floats" in front of the mirror. It's possible (at least in principle) to capture it on paper. Use a bright enough object (maybe a small light bulb), hold it above the center line (axis) of the mirror, and hold the paper below the center line. You don't want the paper to block the light going from the bulb to the mirror.
 
You probably heard that a flat mirror can't create a real image. This is certainly not the case for a curved mirror.
 
Yes I know that a plane mirror can't create a real image. But I see an inverted image that looks like it's behind the metal, when I thought it forms a real image in front that you can capture on a screen.
 
The image appears at first glance to be behind the mirror because you can see it only via light rays that travel in a straight line from the mirror to your eye. You can't see the image "from the side", so to speak.

As I described above, it is possible to capture such an image on a screen, if the object is bright enough and you position the object and screen properly so the screen doesn't block the light traveling from the object to the mirror.

Here's another thing you can try. Hold a pencil or other pointer-like object in front of the mirror. You should be able to place it in such a position that the image appears to be "stuck" to it. (By "it" I mean the pencil itself, not its image in the mirror!) That is, you can move your head and eye from side to side with the pencil and the image staying together. This is not possible if the image is behind the mirror and the pencil is in front of the mirror; they both have to be in the same location.
 

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