Impedance angle in RL and RC circuits

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phase angles of impedance in RL (resistor-inductor) and RC (resistor-capacitor) circuits, particularly how these angles relate to the phase angle of current. Participants explore the reasoning behind the observed phase relationships and seek clarification on the mathematical principles involved.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes confusion regarding the phase angle of impedance being opposite to the phase angle of current in both RL and RC circuits.
  • Another participant suggests providing specific examples from the referenced website to facilitate discussion.
  • Specific values for impedance and phase angles are presented for both RC and RL circuits, illustrating the observed relationships.
  • A participant explains that the phase angle of current is derived from Ohm's law, indicating that the phase angle of current is the negative of the impedance angle due to the mathematical operation involved.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the clarification received regarding the relationship between the phase angles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mathematical relationship between the phase angles of impedance and current, though initial confusion exists regarding the concept. The discussion appears to resolve the confusion for at least one participant.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not fully explore all assumptions related to the phase angles or the implications of the mathematical relationships, leaving some aspects unresolved.

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Homework Statement


This isn't so much of a problem itself but I found it interesting that on the All About Circuits website, two of the questions give a phase angle for impedance as opposite the angle of current. I understand the current is 90 degrees out of phase with voltage in both RL and RC circuits, but do not understand the reasoning behind the impedance phase angles.

Here are the relevant links,

http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-4/series-resistor-capacitor-circuits/

http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-3/series-resistor-inductor-circuits/

Homework Equations



V = IR [/B]

The Attempt at a Solution



Not sure how to attempt a solution here, I looked online and used various searches but didn't find anything. If anyone could shed some light on this it would be appreciated.
 
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Why don't you present one of the examples here for discussion so that helpers don't have to read through both pages to find what you're referring to?
 
gneill said:
Why don't you present one of the examples here for discussion so that helpers don't have to read through both pages to find what you're referring to?

Alright, in the RC circuit link there is an RC series circuit with

R = 5 Ohms
C = 100 microFarads
V = 10V / 60Hz

The total impedance is calculated to be 27 ohms and an angle of -79 degrees.
The total current is calculated to be 370.5 mA at an angle of +79 degrees.

In the RL circuit,

R = 5 ohms
L = 10 mH
V = 10V/ 60Hz

The total impedance is calculated to be 6.262 ohms at an angle of +37 degrees
The total current is calculated to be 1.597 amps at an angle of -37 degrees.

In both examples the current is the opposite angle of the impedance. Like I said I understand how the current differs in phase angle from the voltage, but do not understand where the relationship between phase angle of current and phase angle of impedance comes into play.
 
The current is given by Ohm's law:

##I = \frac{V}{Z}##

Since the voltage source is supplying the phase reference angle, it's angle is 0°. In the equation the impedance is in the denominator, so if its angle is, say Φ, when the division is performed the resulting phase angle of the current is given by 0° - Φ = -Φ. That's basic complex math.
 
Thank you very much, that clears it up for me!
 

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